Moderated Comment to 'Feminist Nation'
First, the back-story.
Note the previous post, titled Maxims for the Road. In the comment log for that post you will discover, first, a complimentary remark from a reader offered in a tone of ostensive good faith. Immediately following this, my own dry, sardonic, and yet pointedly meaningful response.
The original commenter has a blog, which I arrived at via her blogger profile. This blog is called Feminist Nation, a title which is aptly suggestive of the content to be found there.
I spent some time scanning through the material on Feminist Nation, and I came to a post which immediately caught my attention, titled 'Exposing the Terrorism of the MRA Movement'. Naturally, I was intrigued, so I gave it a careful once-over.
The item was interesting not merely for its title. Regular readers of The Counter-Feminist will recall a post called Stay Away From this CLOWN, in which I rudely spotlighted a certain disreputable 'anti-feminist' blogger, who goes by the name of 'Martha'. I wanted to generate an object lesson - clarifying my own stance and distancing counter-feminism from the turbulent jacquerie which undoubtedly lurks inside the broad spectrum of the so-called 'men's movement'.
Well, the article on Feminist Nation was all about, you guessed it, Martha. Simply stated, the blog author's purpose was to exhibit Martha as a poster-boy for the MRA movement. Following is a link to the blog post in question:
I would direct your particular attention to the final, brief but oh-so-laden paragraph in this post: "That, my dear readers, is an MRA/anti-feminist."
I composed and dispatched a reader comment for this article. The blog, however, uses comment moderation, so my item did not appear immediately. It has not appeared yet, and I don't expect that it will. So be it. At any rate, I felt inspired to save my comment item to a text file, before I hit the send button. I would now like to share this with readers of The Counter-Feminist. Here, with only one tiny editing change, is what would have appeared on the web log Feminist Nation as comment number one for the post in question:
I have shared this item as a working model for a political engagement style which I soberly deem to be in the best interest of our movement. Consider it a kind of "seed-map". Also, you may note that I have given the feminists an opportunity to be "part of the solution", which as I make no doubt, they would have the sagacity to ponder.
Note the previous post, titled Maxims for the Road. In the comment log for that post you will discover, first, a complimentary remark from a reader offered in a tone of ostensive good faith. Immediately following this, my own dry, sardonic, and yet pointedly meaningful response.
The original commenter has a blog, which I arrived at via her blogger profile. This blog is called Feminist Nation, a title which is aptly suggestive of the content to be found there.
I spent some time scanning through the material on Feminist Nation, and I came to a post which immediately caught my attention, titled 'Exposing the Terrorism of the MRA Movement'. Naturally, I was intrigued, so I gave it a careful once-over.
The item was interesting not merely for its title. Regular readers of The Counter-Feminist will recall a post called Stay Away From this CLOWN, in which I rudely spotlighted a certain disreputable 'anti-feminist' blogger, who goes by the name of 'Martha'. I wanted to generate an object lesson - clarifying my own stance and distancing counter-feminism from the turbulent jacquerie which undoubtedly lurks inside the broad spectrum of the so-called 'men's movement'.
Well, the article on Feminist Nation was all about, you guessed it, Martha. Simply stated, the blog author's purpose was to exhibit Martha as a poster-boy for the MRA movement. Following is a link to the blog post in question:
http://feministnation.blogspot.com/2006/12
/exposing-terrorism-of-mra-movement.html
I would direct your particular attention to the final, brief but oh-so-laden paragraph in this post: "That, my dear readers, is an MRA/anti-feminist."
I composed and dispatched a reader comment for this article. The blog, however, uses comment moderation, so my item did not appear immediately. It has not appeared yet, and I don't expect that it will. So be it. At any rate, I felt inspired to save my comment item to a text file, before I hit the send button. I would now like to share this with readers of The Counter-Feminist. Here, with only one tiny editing change, is what would have appeared on the web log Feminist Nation as comment number one for the post in question:
Yes, I have made the acquaintance of this 'Martha' creature, and taken a jab at him/her/it.
Another one you might want check out is 'mikeeusa'. Sorry, I can't be bothered to look up the URL, but it's on Blogger.
Anyway....(rolls shoulders and rubs hands together)..... as the men's movement grows and spreads, there will come a time when you will, albeit reluctantly, find it necessary to come to the table and open a dialogue.
On that day, I'm sure you don't want to be talking to people like Martha and Mikeeusa. It would be in the best interest of all concerned, to cut such moldy fruitcakes out of the loop and confine them to a region of existential space where they can't wreck anything, yes?
As the aggregate mass of male grievance grows, the power of the Marthas and Mikeeusas will swell proportionately, and demagogic voices such as theirs will gather more and more hearers - a chilling prospect, I'm sure you will agree.
At day's end, the men's movement is simply a cross-section of humanity, encompassing all that humanity itself encompasses, and that's quite a spectrum, eh? Now, you can choose which portion of this spectrum to talk to, just as you can choose your associates in general life. No difference. However, to make the wise choice requires wisdom. Such is life.
I have shared this item as a working model for a political engagement style which I soberly deem to be in the best interest of our movement. Consider it a kind of "seed-map". Also, you may note that I have given the feminists an opportunity to be "part of the solution", which as I make no doubt, they would have the sagacity to ponder.



9 Comments:
Well now, that all depends. If she's interested in discussion, a resolution to injustices, healthy relationships and countries, things like that, then she will certainly entertain the idea that some members of the MRA are deranged and others are reasonable. By way of comparison, not all feminists think Dworkin was messianic. If, on the other hand, she's just interested in marginalizing and denigrating, then she will continue to use the nutjobs as primary examples.
It's a lot like the difference between the American who says, "look here, not all Muslims are extremist" and the one who says, "kill the heathen sand-monkeys!"
Faith's ostensible intention is to discredit the entire MRA movement. She even uses the terms conservative and misogynist interchangibly, implying she doesn't know the difference.
She has put up a list of criteria describing feminist characteristics (http://feministnation.blogspot.com/2006/12/you-are-feminist.html) which would make for a very nice 'compare and contrast' with some of your posts, particularly the ones on patriarchy and rape .
I wish I had time to critique that one but I'm under the cosh at work.
Peregrine John, as regards both Muslims AND Feminists, I'd say my own position is neither of the two you've described, but something more like:
1. No compromise on basic principles, and...
2. Keep your powder dry.
Davout, yes I agree that is her intention. What troubles me is not that she is doing such an very bad job of it, but that she doesn't even NEED to do a GOOD job. She's preaching to the feminist choir, certainly, but...she is also hoping to snare some naive innocents, by painting a beastly picture that will capture their emotions.
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The 'feminist list' you refer to is a mental fog bank so dense that almost anybody could get lost in it. Which is exactly the idea, I suppose. Such writing is intended not to inspire thought, but rather expire it! It doesn't just make my head "swim". Merciful heavens! it damn near makes my poor head DROWN!
Yes indeed. Foggy words from a foggy mind. But fog is dangerous: It distorts things, it hides things, it leads people astray in endless circles, it causes wrecks, and so on...
Help me, I'm helpless against the fog!! I'm too tired to struggle against the fog.....! It's all around me and I'm too tired to fight anymore....oh what's the use, I'll just give up and go to sleep.....
Damn!
Davout, on the links bar at 'Feminist Nation', there is a blog called 'Down with the MRA Terrorists'. It's not much of a blog, but I notice that the author has listed YOU in one of her little shit lists!
However, she has NOT had the courtesy to list 'The Counter-Feminist" !!!!!!
What???? You mean I don't RATE???? Man, I am seriously insulted - does she think I'm not 'good enough' for her little 'bad boy' roster, huh????
Aw...she's just stuck up, I reckon!
Damn! :-(
Fidel,
Some time back, I had a number of 'anonymous' comments regarding my post on 'marital rape'. I suspect the posters were harpies from Pandagon and Feministe (or quite possibly Faith herself). I made reference to Vox Day's thoughts on the same subject and Mamonaku187 (MRA Revolutionary) sprang to my defense. Anon's comments were all categorically rebutted, which I suspect she couldn't deal with. As a result, she panicked and started her own character assassination blog on which all three of us popped up. The fact that she ran out of material after three odd posts is quite telling.
What's also revealing is the link on Faith's blog: 'Dead men don't rape', which presumably advocates in Talibanesque style that the only 'good' men are dead men.
I generally ignore these kinds of feminists as it is impossible to convince them of anything, since the machinery of logic has imploded within their brains.
Forty years ago a collection of the sorriest women on the planet started the feminist movement. I don't remember anyone who liked them, but they still took over the western world.
Also, let's face the horrid news. There will almost certainly never be a strong MRA organization. Men don't function that way. It's been tried for, er, forty years.
Men are more likely going to continue the current trend, which involves a large and growing number of men who are most likely never going to marry, or who may leave the nation. No sperm donor; no child support; no alimony; no property settlements.
Individual action. No organization, and none needed. The worst possible thing men can do to women. Among other things, since there is no organization, they can't do anything to the organization that doesn't exist.
So, I say, let 'em scream! I, for one, don't give a hoot, and recommend you don't give a hoot either.
Anonymous age 64
I put a post about your fake ass on my blog. Everybody is going to know about your queer bastard ass!! You mangina faggot!!
Martha, my trepidation is such that mere words fail me utterly.
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