Wednesday, January 31, 2007

For Feminist Readers: An Introduction to the Men's Movement

I compose this article for the enlightenment of feminist readers. Yes, I know you folks are out there, amongst the upwards of 60 million visitors who troop through here daily! I said I would throw you some scraps, but guess what? I think you deserve more than that, because I think you folks are special! So, chef Fidelbogen has cooked a full-course, sit-down meal for you guys, complete with all the fixin's!

So let's dig in! The most important thing to understand about the men's movement is that it is a cross-section of humanity. This means that what humanity in its wide variety encompasses, the men's movement likewise encompasses. It is like extracting a drop of water from a pond—stick this drop under a microscope and it will look identical to any other. The drop contains the pond in microcosm. So too, the men's movement contains the human race. By that I mean that it contains the moral spectrum of human nature. The whole damned enchilada! The saints, the scoundrels, and everything in between—in the same proportions you will likely encounter along the common roads of life.

Let us consider more closely the demographic spectrum which the men's movement encompasses. Men as a group are on the receiving end of feminist political fallout, therefore it is men as a group who are reacting to this fallout. And their reaction covers an enormously complex gamut of behaviors.

Pay close heed to the following: not all of this behavior is politically conscious, and not all of it is admirable, rational or morally defensible. Men are simply reacting to the objective conditions that weigh upon them. Lashing out, you would say—or in some cases caving in. Over the years, feminist activism has injected into the world a variety of innovations which have wrought to the disadvantage of male citizens, either directly or indirectly. And I don't mean "loss of privilege"; I mean veritable objective injury in an absolute sense! Do you think the "R" in MRA stands for privilege? Think of this as input to a system—a system called "men". What presently concerns us is the output which has occurred in consequence.

The feminist input to the male social ecology can justifiably be described as 'poison'. And poison, in whatever form it occurs, is a school for dysfunctional behavior. What else could it be? People who have been poisoned don't typically behave well, do they? At the very least, they will show signs of sickness. Possibly it is only bad manners. Or then again, perhaps it takes a more dangerous turn. But either way, you know that something has gotten into them.

The input into the system called 'men' has been poison. And the output from this system has likewise been . . . poison.

Poison in, poison out.

When you systematically stir up hate toward a targeted population, and systematically enact laws and policies that could deprive this targeted population of wealth, health, happiness, security, a good name and other needful things, then you can expect this targeted population to "act out" in various ways, in token of its displeasure.

Now the targeted population in this case amounts to half the human race, and that is no trifle. On the contrary, it is significant and should be treated as such. For one thing, the numbers are formidable. For another, the nature of what has been wrought introduces tortuous complexities into the world—like opening a can of hellworms.

Poison in, poison out.

The gamut of male reaction corresponds to the variety of human types encompassed by the category men. Every man will act out according to his individual nature. However, take note: the pressures bearing down upon men will have a cumulative warping effect. Specifically, such pressures will warp men en masse in a misogynistic direction. Men who are just a shade misogynistic to begin with will predictably become more so, but what's concerning is that even men who are NOT misogynistic are apt to become just a shade so.

Call this the misogynistic shift. It occurs chiefly because, given the objective circumstances within their own lights, men will rationally find less reason to think well of women. Women, for their own part, merely display their imperfect human nature because, under the weight of moral challenge most of them fall short of heroic insight. They are soft, they are venal, they are naive, they are lazy, they are sheep-like, they are shortsighted, they are self-deceiving—simply put, neither better nor worse than men. But here, their human weakness makes them fall short in a manner that just happens to be male-detrimental. And men, particularly those whose lights afford them no better insight, take this unkindly.

Poison in, poison out.

However, not only have we got the misogynistic shift to deal with, but as originally stated we must also confront a variety of human types behaving in the many ways that human types naturally behave—which in the varied course of things is not always admirable, rational, morally defensible or politically conscious! Yes, a full spectrum of men reacting in a full spectrum of human ways to a pattern of damaging pressures applied toward men as a group. Here it is needful to understand, that without the initial action or input, the reactive behaviors would not be happening!

Think about that. Without the initial action or input, the reactive behaviors would not be happening!

Poison in, poison out.

A few years ago, the feminist thought-leader Germaine Greer made the following statement in a newspaper article:
"A kind of mad squeamishness prevents us from quantifying the nuisance value of maleness, possibly because if you actually tell men that they are damned nuisances, they are likely to behave even worse."
Germaine Greer is bang on the money, for when you treat men the way Greer treats them in this statement, look out! One way or another, you'll get what you deserve. When you abuse people, they are likely to behave even worse. Surprise, surprise!

Poison in, poison out.

I should add the obvious, that two can play at this game. Gender-sliming is a two-way street, and plenty of men have made their case, eloquently and plausibly, that women likewise are damned nuisances.

Yet there is something else, greater than the obvious, which I would draw to your attention. It is this: that even if the vile things feminists say about men were a little bit true, or possibly quite a bit true, it would do no damage to the case I am building. There is no law against being that abstractly phrased thing called a "damned nuisance" and nobody, not even a damned nuisance, enjoys being trodden on! If you make the world unhealthy or unprofitable for half of the human species, I guarantee that your policy will turn around and BITE YOU ON THE ASS! Yes, that is how the world works, and if you don't believe me just try it and learn for yourself! Oh yes, we'll see who's a bloody nuisance all right! I am a quiet, laid-back person. A soft-spoken person. But I am no pacifist. So please don't force me to be the the kind of person you say I am!

Poison in, poison out.

In the end, it comes to this: male-bashing is not a wise idea. It is a lose-lose game any way you play it; a fool's game in fact, and bound to have fool's consequences. If male-bashing continues, look out! Trouble ahead! One way or another, across the board, men are in motion. There's a foul wind blowing, and this is understandably setting them astir. You ought to be concerned; not on their account, but on your own! Given certain inputs, and given the archetypal patterns that hold sway within the realm of human occurrence, it may be predicted, on a statistical order of probability, that certain outputs will obtain.

Poison in, poison out.

The purpose of my counter-feminist agency is to analyze, inform, advise, and PREDICT. I make no threats, and I prescribe no toxic outcomes. I merely PREDICT what is likely to occur if certain policies and trajectories continue unabated. Others are free to believe or disbelieve whatever I might tell them; it is surely no task of mine to force their conscience one way or the other.

Men, as I have noted, are in a state of agitation owing to the toxic social conditions that feminist activism has been instrumental in generating. This agitation takes many forms, much of it ostensively linked to proximate causes only, with the connection to feminism not clearly seen. Indirect agencies are at work, which means that within the social ecology the larger workings of the domino chain are easily discounted or overlooked. But proximate causes have proximate causes of their own, and all of it trickles downhill from the points of input to the system.

And what happens when you input poison to a system? You know what I'm going to say: It poisons the entire system! And what happens when you shove people into a box? You know perfectly well what happens: They come out boxing! The scary part is that a lot of them are boxing blindly, and that means you had best stand clear! Considering how much smoke and dirt they've taken in their eyes, they don't always rightly know what they're pummeling!

No, their behavior isn't always admirable, rational, morally defensible or politically conscious! The cross-section of humanity encompasses both men who have been rendered monstrous by horrendous suffering, and men who were admittedly never sterling critters in the first place! But it's an ugly deal whichever way you cut it.

Poison in, poison out!

Oh yes, that reminds me: It is unspeakable folly to pipe the poison which flows from the output back into the input again. This adds injury to insult, and insult to injury, and ratchets up the cycle of political violence by effectively blaming the collective victim, meaning "men". It is exactly like provoking somebody into hitting you, and then using that action as "evidence" against them. Feminism accumulates more bad karma this way than by any other means. What goes around comes around, and you guys are storing up a power of trouble for yourselves. Stop that! For your own sake!

Poison in, poison out!

Very well, I have given you the avian overview of a male population in motion—truly a men's movement! Not all of this movement is politically conscious, but all of it is symptomatic of a malady, and continued application of the evils which brought about this malady will serve only to prolong and multiply the the trouble for all concerned.

I turn now to the question of expectations—what your side may expect, and what shall be expected of it. My purpose here is not to argue or debate. It is to inform—specifically to inform you of things that you would profit greatly from knowing. I purpose only to exhibit the objective state of present reality to feminist readers, so that the more intelligent among them will be guided in their thinking along lines which I have chosen.

The men's movement is large. It numbers easily in the millions, especially if you factor in the many who are (as of yet) barely conscious of the movement's existence, who operate in isolation, and want only the right spark to awaken them into a full-blown political consciousness. Yes, the sleeping dragon is big, and it sprawls clear across the planet. That is worth thinking about.

You must understand also, that the men's movement is here for the duration. It will not go away. Moreover, if present evils persist, the movement will grow—stronger, larger, more intellectually sophisticated, more robustly integrated. The movement has naught to lose, and nowhere to go but up. Obstacles will pose no deterrent; it will flow over, around, or under any sort of roadblock it encounters. If temporarily held in check, the movement will gather force like water behind a dam.

Sitting on the men's movement and squashing it will be to no avail. Hammer it into what form you wish—it will keep growing. Slander it, and it will spread. Leverage the power of the state against it, and it will intensify. Preach against it, and its charisma will climb the scale.

But then again, perhaps you are thinking that if you "chill out" and freeze the status quo exactly where it now stands without rocking the boat unnecessarily, then it will be possible to preserve the feminist hegemony in a holding pattern, with its subjugatory apparatus largely intact.

That would be a mistaken hope, for it ignores feminism's inherently unstable character. Feminism, you see, is a perpetual revolution, and the nature of such a beast is to remain in motion, perpetually changing, perpetually posing new difficulties, perpetually churning up new dramas while it bores indefatigably into the future. In a certain sense, feminism has no existence separable from its disruption of what surrounds it. It is merely a force, like a dust-devil, and you cannot freeze a dust-devil; it will not hold a pose. And so it is with feminism. It is in vain to suppose that by some combination of consolidating your gains and not antagonizing the men's movement needlessly, feminism will stay in the saddle and things will stay the same indefinitely. This would be futile because it is not the nature of a perpetual revolution to settle down, ever.

If feminism ever "freezes", it will collapse and its power will evaporate. Feminism is not simply in motion, it IS motion!

Having understood the foregoing, you will see how it diminishes your options. In fact it leaves you only one choice: to keep moving and growing ad infinitum, in order to keep existing.

So, if feminism wants to keep existing, it must continue to plough its customary furrow into the future, like an entropic vector that spreads degradation and poison into the social ecology, like a sinner who cannot let go of his sin without ceasing to be a sinner. That is how feminism has always operated. However, note my choice of words. This time I didn't say "male social ecology". I said just plain social ecology.

Yes, there is a male social ecology. Likewise, there is a female social ecology. But prior to both there is a social ecology plain and simple, a big round one that encompasses men and women alike from all directions and flows back and forth between them. Face it: men and women live on the same planet, their physiologies are overwhelmingly the same, they drink the same water and breathe the same air, they are indispensable to each other as a species, and their well-being is mutually interwoven—nay, fused as one—in a multitude of ways that we needn't ever hope to exhaustively catalogue .

Feminists love to trumpet the idea that women are the "ecological" sex, the ones who embody the virtues of relatedness, connectedness, interdependence, intuition, holistic feeling, pre-rationality, communalism, pacifism and the like. I'll omit "women" from the discussion here, but I cannot miss the monumental irony that there is nothing ecological about feminism, which in its holistic praxis has been female-solipsistic through and through, to say nothing of supremacist. For all of its green rhetoric, the women's movement has persistently acted oblivious to the sexually interdependent nature of human well-being.

Women's well-being is not some 4X monster truck which you can drive anywhere you like, flattening the fences and flowerbeds, and running over men's well-being as if no such thing even existed. No, you cannot wreck one half of a social ecology without repercussions upon the other half. Forgive me for belaboring the totally fucking obvious, but you cannot limit your strychnine to just half of a well.

And yes, that IS what feminism has been doing, all of these many years—poisoning the well of life from which we ALL must drink! That is my own conclusion, and that is the conclusion of most politically conscious members of the men's movement all around the world. So . . . now you know exactly what manner of attitudinal tidal wave confronts you. This tidal wave is indisputably PRESENT on earth, and whether or not you agree with what this tidal wave is saying, the brute fact of its existence cannot be swept under the carpet, not can the inner sincerity of righteous conviction which it embodies.

Why am I telling you this? Because I think you need to know it. However, I am not telling you what to believe. Perish the thought! Your choice to believe or not believe is yours, and yours alone. But please understand that whichever choice you make, it will have consequences—a fact which bears sober consideration! Are we clear?

So as I stated earlier, you cannot simply consolidate your gains and stay the same, for if you undertook to do so, your power would melt away. And again as before, you have consequently only one choice: To keep moving and growing ad infinitum, just in order to satisfy the requirements of a perpetual revolution, and keep existing. But if you follow this course, you must keep doing what feminism has always done. And if you keep doing what feminism has always done, consequences will follow—consequences not only to men, and not only to the social ecology, but consequences to feminism in particular.

The main reason that feminism has gained so much ground over the years and reached its present status, is because it took a lot of people by surprise. It caught them napping. Doing nice things for women - who could possibly find fault with that? Nattering about some arcane legal pedantry like "rape is a crime of violence!"—sure, whatever...okay. Most men, including the present writer, were oblivious to the nine-mile snare that was gradually closing in around them. They didn't foresee the coordinated master plan. They couldn't possibly imagine the bearing of it all. Besides, they were too busy living their own lives.

But now things are changing. More and more men all the time are waking up to their objective political situation as men. They are bursting their mental shackles asunder, and learning to see the facts of the world flat-on, with their own eyes and with their newly reawakened native perceptions. Simply stated, they are becoming politically conscious.

And they are gaining critical mass.

This will have consequences for feminism. Once again, feminism is a perpetual revolution, and we know what that means, don't we? A perpetual revolution is bound by FATE to keep performing as it has always done, simply in order to keep existing as a revolution. It is programmed to operate in this way, and it can do none other! But this will pile up a heap of difficulties for you, for the simple reason that the men's movement is growing wise to your tricks, and furthermore, the men's movement is just plain GROWING.

Let me put that another way: The men's movement is getting SMARTER, and the men's movement is getting BIGGER! You guys have pulled the wool in front of our eyes for too many years, but we're not falling for it any more. For all of those years, YOU were growing while WE were sitting in the dark having shit fed to us. But now, WE are moving into the light, and WE are not eating your shit any more. And yes . . . we too are GROWING! At long last!

And that changes everything. The whole equation. The whole balance of power.


I am not telling you what to believe, I am just TELLING you!!!!

More and more men are seeing through the big lie that is the women's movement! More and more men understand that feminism is unnatural! More and more men know that feminism is morally bankrupt!

And something else. More and more men realize that arguing with feminism is the biggest time-waster the world has ever known! Feminism is NOT a rational force with a rational plan; you CANNOT argue with feminism! You cannot "reason" with it!!!!

And that is why I, a man, am NOT arguing with you now!

No. I am simply TELLING you WHAT IS WHAT!!!

I am simply TELLING you where it's AT!!!

I am simply TELLING you what TIME it is!!!

Suddenly, life has gotten very simple!






The men's movement is growing, and I PREDICT that it will continue to grow. And I PREDICT that as time goes on, you will meet more and more men like myself who will NOT waste their energy arguing with feminism! These men will devote themselves more profitably to organizing, mobilizing, preaching, exhorting, blogging, leafleting, educating, recruiting and finally . . . . taking direct action!

Those are my predictions. Believe them or not. It's your choice.

You see, you have finally met your match. You got a big head start upon us, to the tune of 40 years, and that is why you are strong and we are weak. You have outflanked us and outgunned us, and yes, outwitted us! You have gained victory in a one-sided war only because the other side never even knew that any war was under way. But the times are changing.

I said that life has gotten simple. What I meant to say is that life has gotten simple for US, not for you. For too long, feminism has made life complicated for men, while offering women a host of moral shortcuts in the game of life. This state of affairs is set to implode upon your heads, and the implosion will come about both from the ineluctable logic contained in the onrush of events, and from the accumulated moral force of male consciousness.

For at long last you are facing a highly motivated and highly aware opposition, which is morally and intellectually armed to the teeth, and understands you to a 'T'! That was not the case in years past, but is very much indeed the case now. That is why you have met your match.

And there is nothing you can do about it. Time is on our side. The men's movement, on its collective mind level, is a rational force with clearly understood goals and a growing consensus of grassroots support. Feminism is merely a perpetual revolution, an automaton, operating from a base of female supremacism, female solipsism, cognitive fragmentation, and artificial life support from various institutions, divorced from the social ecology of the ecumenical human condition.

Being a perpetual revolution, you can do only do what you are programmed to do, mindlessly clanking along and churning up the world in your path according to the ever-shifting requirements of your revolutionary drive for power. But you will find that your programming, which served you well enough in years past when you faced no meaningful opposition, will no longer serve you under the altered conditions which are now arising in the world. It will be a new game, in which our side will advance steadily and overtake you. You have a 40-year advantage, but that gap will diminish. It is only a matter of time.

Life for you will become more difficult, more vexing, more taxing of your energy. The world will become more polarized—you against us—and this polarity will give you plenty of moral headaches! And still, the movement of men will continue to gain upon you in its slow, patient, orchestrated manner.

Expect your movement to fragment, or more accurately, to pull apart like taffy under the stress of socio-political tidal forces. Look around you, it is happening even now! As our movement and your movement come to loggerheads, your movement—being challenged at every trick and every turn of the cards—will find itself increasingly stymied as a perpetual revolution, unable to carry on in that capacity. Deprived of this perpetually whirling, self-validating energy, your movement will be forced to think outside the box and begin seeing itself objectively. Your followers will undergo cognitive dissonance to a growing degree, and many of them will commence back-peddling, soft-peddling, hedging, compromising, and finally. . . jumping ship altogether.

When feminism ceases to be a perpetually revolving, generating center of political energy, it will cease to be recognizably feminism at all. The entropy, once it is forbidden to flow outward, will instead turn inward. It will become centripetal; it will contract. And thereupon things will commence to unravel even within your very own gates. Being unable any longer to feed upon the world, your movement will auto-cannibalize. Your perpetual revolution, rather than chewing up the world, will turn inward and devour itself, owing to the force of counter-feminist pressure. The radius will grow smaller and smaller, and although the exposed core will burn more fiercely than ever, this too will boost the demise of it.

If all of this sounds like wild, mystical talk, I can assure you that plenty of brothermen in the movement—whose intelligence I respect and with whom I am right proud to be associated—will eventually read this, will comprehend in full what I am saying here, and will know exactly how to make their varied endeavors comport with the matter I have shared. Not that it makes any difference. I am only predicting the course of developments, and these will unfold with or without my poor support.

But you must not forget that your movement will reach a standoff with the movement of men in which all argument, all debate, all effort by either side to convince the other, will be futile. Equally futile, on that day, will be your customary strategy of appealing to male guilt. Remember that you are facing a growing body of people who will only laugh at you, and scoff at you, and throw feminist guilt right back in your face! And when they do this, how do you intend to answer it? You'll not dissuade them, and if you try to suppress them by force—leveraging the power of law and the state—then the situation will grow steadily more volatile, and your own position inexorably more tenuous, along the line of the scenario which I have described.

The writing is on the wall. You have been weighed in the balance and found wanting. Your kingdom shall be demanded of you.

And the day will arrive when one choice only shall be given you.

On that day you shall have none other boot, than come to the table and NEGOTIATE, like it or not, with people such as we whom now you deem scarcely human. And the taste of this will be like unto bitter ashes in your mouth, but that is none of our doing..

Some of you might be wise to skip the negotiation part altogether, by the very simple expedient of changing sides. Defecting, I mean. Some of you, I know, are nearly to that point already. I would remind you, as I have myself written elsewhere, that nobody is born a feminist. At the end of the day, "feminist" is little else than a word which certain people have stuck to themselves, by personal choice, as an identifying label. Possibly you too have made the personal choice to stick this word to yourself, even though the strength of your conviction is not particularly strong. Well consider now that such a sticky trifle is easily unstuck, and if it would not distress you unduly you should peel that little goober off your sleeve, wad it up and chuck it over your shoulder with never a backward glance.

No, let me say state that again, with vehemence: FLEE! Flee from that valley! Flee as you would flee the valley of Sodom and Gomorrah, and whatever you do, don't look back!

But for those who remain behind, there will be no course possible but negotiation. If you keep doing what you've always done, the movement of men will grow progressively more forceful until it renders your existence prohibitively difficult, sapping your velocity finally to the point of standstill.

And if, having come to this point, perpetual revolution fails . . . . then feminism fails—on the spot.

Either that, or negotiation starts.

And negotiation will address what, precisely? It will address the terms of feminism's obsolescence. No more and no less.

It will be in your interest to negotiate, to step out of your briar patch and square up to the world. Posterity will judge you more kindly if you do.

If you undertake deceit in the manner of your negotiation, in hopes of perpetuating your revolution by subterfuge, then the vigilant eye of counter-feminist scrutiny will quickly make note of your devices, and your eventual reckoning will be the harsher for it.

We shall have, I trust, occasion to speak further of these things.



Blogger crankshaft said...

Hi Fidelbogen,

I'm a feminist, but I think this post is well-written.

I have visited a few sites which left much to be desired - it gave me the impression that some of the men who owned those blogs had been jilted or simply held some deep-seated resentment against women.

I am guessing from your post that the issue men have against feminists is, as you state, "innovations which have wrought to the disadvantage of male citizens, either directly or indirectly".

Would you be referring to divorce, alimony, sole-custody, job positions etc? Or am I missing something else?

You mentioned enacting laws and policies in women's favour. What kind exactly?

1:56 AM  
Blogger Davout said...


Great post! Standard material for all MRA blogs, I say.


I am curious as to why you consider yourself a feminist.

12:45 PM  
Blogger Outcast Superstar said...

Wow that was an amazing post!

1:09 PM  
Blogger Fidelbogen said...


Some of those bloggers you mention have arrived at their feelings through hard personal experience. Also, they are in the process of becoming politically conscious about the position of men in the world today, and that often includes seeing their personal experience as a reflection, or a microcosm, of larger patterns in the world. Unfortunately, this often goes along with a hardening of attitudes toward women in general. (This is the "misogynistic shift" which I mentioned in the post.)

There are plenty of things going on in the world today to make men's minds grow sour toward feminism and toward women in general. Since men are the "target" of direct and indirect innovations (plus the secondary consequences) they are the ones who are naturally aware of the holistic gestalt of it all.

Yes, the items that you mention are part of the picture...but the picture goes a lot deeper.

The best thing to do is spend some time studying in depth. I recommend browsing the forums at (SYG), and also the boards.

You could even register at SYG, and introduce yourself. You'll get a courteous welcome by Dr.E, the admin, and you'll find some pretty sharp people there from whom you can learn much. However, a word to the wise: If you cop the wrong attitude they'll come down hard; they are tough and cynical dudes! But if you keep an open mind and don't act like you know it all, you'll do fine.

Explore the links on the sidebar at left....

And don't forget to spend plenty of time browsing through the abundant material at Angry Harry's.

7:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Our birthrates keep fallin'.

If we dont get this straightened out, whites will pretty much dissapear in 200 years. This "legal war" between the sexes. The cheating, the lying, the gaming. Its gotta stop, our Western Culture will stop.

Spain's birthrate is 1.2 children per female. Men are afraid to father children and be "enslaved" by a bitchy wife and fear of economic devastation. Are these going to be the last three or four generations of ethnically Spansih people while their goverment has to bring in immigrants to replace them as human beings? Pathetic isnt it.

Somethin' went wrong 40 years ago in human history, and its destroying out ability to procreate. Pitiful

2:03 AM  
Anonymous The Mad Engineer said...

Whoo, you were inspired.

Well, at least there's something to read amidst my insomnia that isn't ridiculously stupid fluff.

1:44 AM  
Blogger NHY said...

Bravo, Quality post you made here!

It least it was something to pass some time while I'm at home recovering from the flu.

9:48 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


My only doubt is that true backlashes against grievous wrongs of this magnitude seldom escape serious violence. I think of the 1917 Revolution in Russia. I think of the 1918 Insurrection against the rich abusers of the poor, here in Mexico. I think of the 1776 Revolution against the abuse by the British government in the Colonies. When in history have there been abuses such as men experience daily in our society, far beyond anything the Colonies experienced, and it is fixed without high levels of violence?

If the men of this world break loose, I simply can't imagine a totally nonviolent scenario.

In general, I hope I am wrong, because I have kids and grand-kids out there.

Considering the millions of men who have been abused beyond description, I can't imagine, for example, all the lawless mangina judges walking away unscathed from giving house; kids; car; to an adulterous and probably abusive woman and forcing men into a life of bondage to these fiends.

How about the child support officials in California who decree a man who never received notice because he had moved, must pay more money than he earns, and even when it is learned he wasn't the father, he still owes the money? How about those police officers who witnessed three hogs beating up a man, then arrested him?

How about the Supreme Court judges who ruled women can have their third trimester babies' brains sucked out with a vacuum cleaner, while there is no escape for men who don't want kids?

I can't imagine all the men who were responsible for breaking up marrisages, walking away unscathed by the anger of the men they wronged.

I can't imagine all the "all men are rapists" crew walking away from tens of thousands of false sex abuse charges, with 'negotiations'. That's just not how history shows such things unfolding.

I think our difference is, I believe the feminists would be beneficiaries of a major miracle if they must merely sit down and negotiate with us scum. I tend to think their actual survival will be a major miracle.

I would prefer a peaceful change. But, as you just said, there are all sorts of men out there. And, when the backlash really starts, all the traditional 'rules' disappear until the blood thirst among the angrier folks is quenched. It is historical fact.

Anonymous age 64

9:13 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Very good points made Anonymous 64. Give it 50 to 100 years though, and even a violent revolt will be impossible. The State will ensure it.

I do wish also that a peaceful change would be possible. However, the feminists are unrelenting in their demands, to wipe out male power, to reduce its population - the Governments and UN are its aides on this mission. I do not see them changing their plan.

7:43 AM  
Blogger Fidelbogen said...

Anon64: You may just be right about the violent revolution scenario - I won't deny the possibility.(It might be fun to watch some of them shufflin' and scramblin' and sweet-talkin' when they finally wake up to the trouble they're it!)

But whichever way it rolls, I believe that the sooner men gain political consciousness, the better. Violence, if there is destined to be any, will be proportionately worse the longer we postpone the issues.

What I truly DON'T want to see is lot of anger building up to toxic levels amongst a male population which has not been politically awakened. Far better if they KNOW what they are mad about - this will keep the bad stuff to a minimum, IMO, and moreover point to a way out of the maze.

Also - and this is the most important of all - male political awareness will inspire male vigilance, which means that the feminists will think twice about their customary trick of "blaming it on men" and pushing men deeper into a hole, and then blaming THAT on men, etc etc etc.....

As for "negotiation": I think it is a fitting gesture from our side to propose this, even if it never happens.
By simply offering such a thing, we put ourselves in a stronger position.

Yes, I realize that the hard core fems will hang on to the bitter end, until they are barricaded in their "alamo", but the negotiation attitude from our side will lead to an attrition of their numbers and their strength long before things get to that stage.

Btw, I am optimistic about the growth of the men's movement. I think it's going to happen - perhaps dramatically fast - and I think that things are going to get interesting!

10:14 PM  
Anonymous fluffy kitten said...

So basically, if feminists won't worship the mighty penis, you're going to behave like the assholes we already think you are.

Did I get that right?

11:56 PM  
Blogger Fidelbogen said...

Oh merciful heavens...who in their right mind would worship a damn PENIS?

The feminists can worship whatever they please - provided they uphold the separation of church and state.

12:14 PM  
Blogger Renegade Evolution said...

Very interesting reading, Fidelbogen. Well written as well. The problem seems to me that some people on both sides are not willing to negotiate, let alone compromise, or even see each other as humans worthy of basic human respect. Which is a shame, and makes it better for no one. Stereotypes on both sides do well as rallying cries and war calls. Holding up the most extreme as examples does not get anyone anywhere and just breeds more discontent. I see it everywhere, really, as I am often veiwed as 'the enemy' by both sides, oddly enough.

In any event, you've created quite an interesting read here, something to think on for certain.

1:10 AM  
Blogger Fidelbogen said...

I believe it is safe to predict that the march of events will continue pretty much in the manner which I have sketched, along the same basic story line.

It is my soberly considered opinion, that the most prudent strategy in terms of the Larger Game, is to bring about a moral isolation of the extremists.

On the counter-feminist side, I would understand the extremists to be those who voice misogynistic or so-called "patriarchal" sentiments in an unconstrained manner, who incorporate such sentiments into consistent policy suggestions, and/or invite others to rally under their banner.

On the feminist side, I would understand the extremists to be those unable to abjure, in the style which I have described elsewhere on this blog...

Hopefully this clarifies a few things in a way that proves advanceful.

8:15 PM  
Blogger Rob Fedders said...

Awesome article, Fidelbogen!

Loved it!

2:32 PM  
Blogger dad4justice said...

Inspirational article .

Words of wisdom .

In solidarity brother

1:03 PM  
Blogger Fidelbogen said...

Thanks, D4J.

Hey, didn't I see you on that NZ blog?

7:13 PM  
Blogger dad4justice said... is where I battle with the feminazi government internet world puppets. Our feminazi Prime Minister and her hateful gender bias regime are taking a big hit, and this week police have warned me my blogger identity is walking along the very close line . They don't like the cold steel of truth shoved up them !They will never shut me up, as this is noble war for our kids .I lost my daughters to a corrupt system and this soldier is not going down without a real fight.

1:22 AM  
Blogger Fidelbogen said...

Thank you D4J, your presence on CF is appreciated. I hope you will keep us informed of interesting developments in your part of the world...

6:13 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fluffy Kitten said, if feminists won't worship the penis,you are going to behave like the assholes we already think you are..

It is actually the opposite..
No, Fluffy Kitten, it means that WE MEN will stop worshipping the mighty VAGINA,and stop rewarding you feminist women for behaving like the bitches we already think you are.... Bye bye

12:00 AM  
Blogger Fidelbogen said...

Permit me to add, that if the feminists ever do in fact take up penis worship, then I will personally sign the order to put them in a soft room...

1:24 AM  
Blogger Kim said...

Very good article, I'm frankly quite impressed. Kudos to you and to other men that are fighting for the rights of men in a manner that is constructive instead of mirroring the manner of the feminist extremists.

10:23 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

But men just can't resist the power of the hairy magnet and so are doomed to sign the contract for service in her imperial galley (:

7:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

it's all just a game to you..... how sad. pathetic actually

11:29 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fluffy Kitten can worship whatever. Who cares? I certainly don't. I'm living a free and content life without a woman. And I love it. As Alec Baldwin said to Diane Sawyer in an interview on 20/20:

"I found the greatest form of anger management you can possible find...I got divorced." Hee hee. Adios pendejas.

12:46 PM  
Anonymous Fuchsia said...

I just happened across this post googling for feminist literature online.

To be honest, I'm pretty puzzled by it. I consider myself a feminist, and have a lot of friends who are active feminists. None of us consider men inferior or would advocate any sort of policy that discriminates against men, and none of us would ever engage in "male-bashing" or any other sort of sexist activity. Why on earth would we want to discriminate against men, or want female supremacy, when we are passionate about equality?

I think it's just a bit of a generalisation to assume that all feminists discriminate against men or are female supremacists! I see humans equally regardless of their gender and sexual anatomy.

3:55 PM  
Blogger Fidelbogen said...


Pardon me, but you sound naive. Even a bit simple.

You say that you "consider yourself" a feminist. Well, have you ever considered "considering" yourself something else, under another name? The word feminist has accumulated a helluva lot of bad karma, so you might wish to consider sailing under different colors. . .

At any rate, you look to be a person who has just stumbled upon the MRA universe for the very first time. I am continually amazed and re-amazed at the number of people in your sector who apparently don't yet know what is going on . . .

Heh heh, I think that I might "make an example of you", that is, publish your comment in a blog post and build an entire article consisting of my commentary on your comment. . .

But not tonight. Maybe in 2 or 3 weeks.

In the meantime, if you wish to be brought up-to-date about things you have probably never heard before, I'll be glad to do that off-blog. Feel free to make use of the e-mail link at upper right. ;)

5:30 PM  
Blogger Ithaca Skinhead said...

This entry is old and I doubt anyone will ever see this comment, however, on the issue of a violent revolt:

I learned 1 thing only at the DNC:

They ignore peaceful protest.

1:06 PM  
Blogger Fidelbogen said...


DNC = Democratic National Convention?

You are correct. "They" (feminists) ignore peaceful protest. And then use violent protest to prove their point about 'male violence'. . .

A third road would be, to slowly, patiently build a fire under their arse.

Which is exactly what is happening, in my opinion. . .

7:10 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is a brilliant article, Well done! I’m in the UK, and at 60 years young! I have to say, ITS ABOUT TIME MEN! Think like the enemy to beat the enemy. It’s not a battle! it’s not a war! it’s a STRATEGY! For EQUAL RIGHTS! Just look at some of the new or amended laws being passed. Men are losing the right to Independence. EQUALITY MEANS EQUALITY! And yes women, I do know about the inequalities that face women.

How do I go about joining one these organizations?

6:33 PM  
Blogger Fidelbogen said...

"How do I go about joining one these organizations?"

That is a good question. And unfortunately. . a very difficult one! :(

We are only a grassroots movement right now, and not even much of a "movement" - but we use that word in a very loose way because we can't think of anything better to call ourselves at the moment. . .

Since you are in the UK, I recommend that you register with , an MRA forum operated by your fellow Englishman Karl Matthews. :) You will find plenty of people to converse with there, a lot of them English, and the rest of them very,very international. (And I am syndicated there via RSS feed!)

You may also wish to sign up with - another forum similar to Antimisandry, but more heavy on the Americanos. . .

Really, the best way to "join" is to hang around with MRAs on the web, and gradually educate yourself. The old hands are usually more than happy to take the newbies in hand, so to speak. . . so I am certain you will find plenty of folk willing to share their knowledge and help you get plugged in to the scene! ;)

(And some of the regulars on this blog are rather interesting critters, too. . .)

Anyhow, that is at least 2 places where you can go and get plugged in:

And since you enjoy the present article, you will find plenty more to read on this blog (nearly 400 posts now!). I have put tonnes of thought and energy into what I have written here, and hopefully some of it might prove useful to you. :)

Oh. . and don't forget to visit the website of another very famous Englishman, Angry Harry!

8:14 PM  
Blogger Diva said...

Have you ever actually looked up the word feminist in a dictionary? It means equality between the sexes. It is not about hating men. This is very simple and you would know if you actually looked it up.

7:07 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


So I assume that the high correlation between those who self-identify as feminists and those who consciously proclaim that they hate men, push for anti-male laws, ignore and exacerbate the inequalities facing men, is in fact just a coincidence?

I suggest you read more of Fidel's blog. Especially his post about there being more to feminism (the thing) than feminism (the word).

2:35 AM  
Blogger Bwec said...

Thank you, thank you so much for your writing!

3:44 AM  
Anonymous Aimee said...

I've been reading your blog and it's very well-written. I guess I'm just a bit confused because I never knew this level of discontent existed among men.
I'm 29 years old. I have never felt oppressed by men. Except for one relationship in my early twenties. He was a bad seed and I figured it out early because he didn't want me to go to school without him. I saw him hit his mother one day and got out of there quick.
But I never, ever thought all men are like this. I had a wonderful dad and I married a wonderful man. There are just certain people who thrive on control and violence. I've seen men and women like this.
Sometimes when I read your blog and others that you have in your blogroll I can see what you are saying.
But I love men for being men. And I would never dream of being violent or making up rape stories about them. And I don't know if I want children because I'm scared to give birth but if I do have kids with my husband and God forbid our marriage ends, I would absolutely love him to have custody with me. My parents divorced but they did it properly and didn't punish eachother.
So sometimes your posts make me feel bad for feeling that I'm just as much of a human being as a man. I'm not the same as a man. I think men and women are different. But ideally, we compliment eachother.
I think men and women must both learn how to be better people.
Some of your comments on here make me feel hated just by reading them. And I think that's unfortunate. This blog is interesting but I question whether or not it's making the situation better. I feel it just makes your readers - men and women- more angry. Anger does not solve anything.
By the way, I've been reading feminist blogs too to get the opposite perspective and I feel the same way about them. They ridicule so many things that are important to me. Just more anger.

3:37 PM  
Blogger Fidelbogen said...


Thank you very much for dropping by and commenting.

You have raised some very important questions, and based on what I know from past observation, a lot of people (women in particular) would voice similar concerns.

Too bad your comment is buried deep in the archives on this ancient post where few will find it! :(

So, I would like to publish your comment as a blog post unto itself - along with my own carefully thought-out reply. I believe that a lot of people would find this relevant and interesting, and it would give me the chance to say a lot of things that really need saying, but which I haven't found time to get around to blogging about yet.

You'll see this proposed blog post appear on the front page in the next week or so.

Stay tuned! :)

4:29 PM  
Anonymous Aimee said...

I look forward to it! Admittedly with some trepidation. :)

10:23 PM  
Blogger Searching for Avila said...

I read through this whole post, and it's a lot of rhetoric with not much substance. You mention both "toxic social conditions that feminist activism has been instrumental in generating" and also "innovations which have wrought to the disadvantage of male citizens"--neither of which you elaborate on. Most of the post is POISON POISON POISON without any actual basis in fact. Finally, in your conclusion, you predict that the two sides will clash, but you offer no solution. Seems like a pointless post.

PS. Your comment of "It might be fun to watch some of them shufflin' and scramblin'" when the "violent revolution" breaks loose is disgusting. Just thought you ought to know how un-empathetic and inhuman you sound. Also -really- flattering to yourself that you call a person who's curious about your post "simple" (I'm referring to Fuschia). You think you're really top notch, don't you?

4:18 PM  

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