Something Worth Reading at Ulrich's Inferno
Ulrich, he of the Inferno, has posted something on his blog that I think is worth reading, and I would like to share it with you here:
http://ulrich-inferno.blogspot.com/2007/09/silent-revolution.html
As you will note, I contributed a rather long comment to that post. And I decided - what the hell, why not make it into a CF post. So, you'll see it both there, and here:
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Ha! Sometimes life does hand us those little ironic surprises, eh? Life is funny that way, isn't it? ;-)
That said, let me add that I have been noticing rather similar things - at least as far as my enquiries go. (I had an interesting chat with a young guy just about a week ago, along much the same lines that you have sketched!)
Hey, don't sell yourself short - you might have more to contribute than you realize! Take a breather, recharge your battery, and let fresh data percolate into your reservoir. Then come back to share your fresh inspirations!
I agree that the awareness is out there. However, it is "silent", as you suggest. And what does this silence signify? It signifies that people are not YET talking to each other passionately and energetically - which signifies in turn that they aren't yet fully aware of each other. But then, why should they be? After all, the "silence" is deafening. One sees, that's logical!
However, what you have said (combined with observations of my own) would seem to indicate that the logic of events is moving toward a critical mass or critical threshhold of some sort.
And THAT...is exciting indeed!
By the way, you can also gauge the present change in the wind by lurking around and sampling the buzz at the various feminist blogs. Listen closely to what they are talking about and HOW they are talking about it. They too, are detecting the things of which you speak. They too, are sensitive barometers - and you can learn a lot by "reading" them! ;-)
Personally, I think that folk such as us bloggers need to continue getting the word out and....FANNING THE FLAMES. We need to keep "shovelling the gravel" as the MGTOW people would say. The more we do so, the faster we shall arrive at that critical tipping point of collective awareness - after which all hell will break loose! (Oh the fun!!) ;-}
(After all, it's difficult to know exactly how MUCH of the present growth of awareness is due to our efforts. Possibly a lot more than we suspect - these things can have multiplier effects that are difficult to measure!)
As for myself, I am feeling tired and burnt out! This occupation takes a toll - physically, mentally, spiritually! However, I don't intend to retire from blogging for a good while yet. Reason being: I have at least 10 big substantial blog articles buzzing around in the job queue in my brain, waiting to be written. And I feel like I owe it to somebody to bring this work into the light of day. Don't ask me why, but that is just the way I feel! Who can say why?
Anyway, I do hope you'll keep your blog on line, and at least drop by for an update from time to time - even if it's just a quick note every six weeks or so! :-)
All the best;
-Fidelbogen-
http://ulrich-inferno.blogspot.com/2007/09/silent-revolution.html
As you will note, I contributed a rather long comment to that post. And I decided - what the hell, why not make it into a CF post. So, you'll see it both there, and here:
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"...I had no idea. I thought they were clueless, but it turned out that I was the clueless one."
Ha! Sometimes life does hand us those little ironic surprises, eh? Life is funny that way, isn't it? ;-)
That said, let me add that I have been noticing rather similar things - at least as far as my enquiries go. (I had an interesting chat with a young guy just about a week ago, along much the same lines that you have sketched!)
"I originally started blogging because I thought I had to help get the message out. I was wrong. The message is out there, and a lot of men out there have heard it or figured things out themselves. I don't see much point in continuing since I honestly don't have much to contribute."
Hey, don't sell yourself short - you might have more to contribute than you realize! Take a breather, recharge your battery, and let fresh data percolate into your reservoir. Then come back to share your fresh inspirations!
I agree that the awareness is out there. However, it is "silent", as you suggest. And what does this silence signify? It signifies that people are not YET talking to each other passionately and energetically - which signifies in turn that they aren't yet fully aware of each other. But then, why should they be? After all, the "silence" is deafening. One sees, that's logical!
However, what you have said (combined with observations of my own) would seem to indicate that the logic of events is moving toward a critical mass or critical threshhold of some sort.
And THAT...is exciting indeed!
By the way, you can also gauge the present change in the wind by lurking around and sampling the buzz at the various feminist blogs. Listen closely to what they are talking about and HOW they are talking about it. They too, are detecting the things of which you speak. They too, are sensitive barometers - and you can learn a lot by "reading" them! ;-)
Personally, I think that folk such as us bloggers need to continue getting the word out and....FANNING THE FLAMES. We need to keep "shovelling the gravel" as the MGTOW people would say. The more we do so, the faster we shall arrive at that critical tipping point of collective awareness - after which all hell will break loose! (Oh the fun!!) ;-}
(After all, it's difficult to know exactly how MUCH of the present growth of awareness is due to our efforts. Possibly a lot more than we suspect - these things can have multiplier effects that are difficult to measure!)
As for myself, I am feeling tired and burnt out! This occupation takes a toll - physically, mentally, spiritually! However, I don't intend to retire from blogging for a good while yet. Reason being: I have at least 10 big substantial blog articles buzzing around in the job queue in my brain, waiting to be written. And I feel like I owe it to somebody to bring this work into the light of day. Don't ask me why, but that is just the way I feel! Who can say why?
Anyway, I do hope you'll keep your blog on line, and at least drop by for an update from time to time - even if it's just a quick note every six weeks or so! :-)
All the best;
-Fidelbogen-
posted by Fidelbogen at 9:18 PM
17 Comments:
As for myself, I am feeling tired and burnt out! This occupation takes a toll - physically, mentally, spiritually! However, I don't intend to retire from blogging for a good while yet.
Hey, just do us a favor...if you feel like taking a break, at least leave your blog and your archives up for us to reference in the future, ok? :)
The blog and archives shall remain come hell or high water - of that, be certain.
What I also plan to do is pack the more significant material into PDF files (after giving it a good second edit!) and make this available for download.
But since there are plenty of things I haven't said yet, I don't see how I can get out of the blogging game for some time.
(Guess what! The Counter-Feminist blog is now ONE YEAR OLD! It's a big kid now...! ;)
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I enjoy your blog. Please keep it up. I do similar writings, but more on a sociological level.
Cheers.
CF, you should come and have a look at this!
http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2007/10/explainer-whats-mra.html
Regards,
EF
Thanks for pointing that out, EF! I read the vile thing and felt like launching my computer through the window again....
I also read the comment section, and even left a little note of my own, telling JEFF FECKE exactly what I thought of him:
"Dear Jeff Fecke:
Most of what you wrote in your article misrepresents and slanders the men's movement - and YOU KNOW IT! That is not to your credit, and now we know what kind of person Jeff Fecke is...don't we? This goes on your permanent record, dude!
I know exactly what you are doing. You are "playing dumb". You are merely *PRETENDING* that you don't twig what the men's movement is talking about, and you are spinning lies upon false pretexts. Deliberately. Don't try to con me, mister! You know damn well what I'm talking about. You and I BOTH know where it's at. You know it, and I know it, and we BOTH know that we both know it....and there we stand!
So let's not kid each other, okay?
One more point for you to ponder: If you and your side keep on behaving in this manner, then you will forfeit the right to be honorably dealt with. What this means more concretely, is that you are granting us a morally valid option in the long run to shove the very same shit right back at YOU again.
Which indeed we shall eventually do. In spades! Depend upon it; what thou sowest, thou shalt reap!
Turnaround is fair play, so you will have no right to complain.
Regards;
Fidelbogen"
But I lack the time, energy and patience for so-called conversation in those places! It is an utterly futile waste of one's life to engage with those wankers...
Hey fidelbogen,
I have posted this on the aforementioned blog post at feminist lair, Shakespeare's Sister. It might open the eyes of a few indoctrinated "male feminists" (oxymoron). Not for the women there though - they have long given up on being objective, and in any event, they are too self-interested to care about what's happening to men. They don't need a reason to hate men, they just do. (Fifty years of the raw dumps of the female psyche that is feminist literature should have made this obvious to us by now.)
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"There's a huge segment of MRAdom that's fed by divorced men angry that their ex got custody of the kids, and now they have to fork over money to support them."
I am 19 and have never been married, divorced, had a child or had my children taken from me. I have simply researched all relevant areas - law, education, politics - gathering statistics primarily, and have become thoroughly enraged at how poorly men are treated in the 21st Century West. How they are, in fact, treated as second class citizens and whose representatives (largely male) do not represent them but take away their freedom and focus entirely on female citizens.
Through Domestic Violence Law/the Violence Against Women Act, women and feminists have set justice for men back centuries by assuming guilt over innocence and having "must arrest" clauses. Marriage/Divorce systematically transfers wealth from men to women. Fathers are routinely, point-blank denied access to their children, even when it is part of the Custody agreement, and women are never pursued. Men are accused of rape and sexual harrassment - and have their reputations ruined for life - nothing is done to the false accuser. Employers have "gender quotas" to give women extra preferential treatment when they already make up the vast majority of college-graduates today. The media propagandises the "wage gap" when in fact most women in their 20s are outearning their male peers considerably.
It is plain for all to see that these laws and policies - initiated and maintained by the movement of women - are corrupt and sexist to the core. They aim to place women first and to hurt men.
I have come to the realisation that we are living in a Matriarchy, but not only that - I can see that women are flaunting and abusing their power as the dominant gender in society. Deep down, most women/feminists know and desire this end.
If you think that the Men's Movement is made up only of "divorced men" or indeed "disenfrachised fathers" you are wrong. There are many activists like myself who are simply well-informed young men who have had no prior connections with feminist systems such as marriage, divorce and custody. It is plain for anyone with a fair mind - and a sense of justice (which most women seem to lack) - that these systems are corrupt.
And who am I, a male citizen in a Western "democracy" to put up with that?
"Now assets are divided evenly"
Incorrect, and you know it. Women get far more than half: they get the house (rationale being she needs it to take care of the children she got sole custody for), they get imputed income, alimony and child support. All of which is tax-free and collected by the Socialist State.
"Due to feminism, less and less men are willing to marry. Logically the result is 'less marriage - less divorce'"
Actually that's not entirely true. Most women find themselves sitting in the job that 30 years ago they would have married their husbands for. Marriage in the past was a matter of necessity. Now it is not.
The number of men who are eligable for marriage - i.e. who have equal or greater social status and income as the woman - is dwindling all the time.
Indeed, women's society will, I predict, in a few decades' time do away with marriage altogether. That's after they can suck as much wealth out of men as they can. After the last Paul McCartneys, Shwan Al-Mullas, and John Charmans have been systematically sucked dry, feminist Marriage/Divorce will have served its purpose.
At that point, it's conceivable to that the male right to property ownership could be formally removed - it is already effectively removed when men marry and women will 9 times out of 10 get their property.
I believe that you're right, CF - however, it's nice to show them that we're around, growing in numbers and ready to confront the slander and lies of feminism, isn't it!
I only left a short comment on Mr. Fecke's blog. He's deliberately ignorant and he enjoys it, so I think it's a waste of time spending more than 10 minutes there. The 'movement' should focus on growing by winning people with an open mind. There won't be any growth if we waste our time and energy arguing with smug dorks and their numb followers.
As a matter of counter-feminist discipline, I personally do not make compromising blanket statements regarding "women". Granted, plenty of feminists make such statements regarding "men", and in theory that bestows upon our side a certain symmetrical right of retaliation - en revanche as it were. Yet for my own part, this is a right which I am willing to forego. It is a point of method, a point of policy and, I might say, political hygiene. It bestows a strategic edge. . .
The CF blog contains NO compromising statements of the sort mentioned. Search in vain - you'll discover none such! Others may attempt to do so, but I will argue my thesis like a demon lawyer from hell with a red-hot violin, and they will not come off the better for their temerity! ;-)
**Michael, I thank you. Your statement summarizes my own thoughts to the peak of perfection. I would add, however, that such encounters upon enemy lines CAN be useful IF one is able to scorch them in view of a general audience who might then be swayed in the right direction. Other than that, I would say it is a very useful exercise to STUDY such material. Read it many times over, to ascertain their tactical drift, the nuance of their wiles, and the evolution of their devices. Learn what you can learn from the dust clouds and the rising smoke columns.
I have saved the Jeff Fecke article and its accompanying comment log to my local archives - for repeated reading and reflection over the coming days and weeks. The more that you study such material, the more unsuspected angles and shadings you begin to notice.
**As a general maxim - the fruit of long observation and meditation - I believe that it is more powerful to listen than to speak.
"A wise old owl sat on an oak;
The more he sat, the less he spoke;
The less he spoke, the more he heard;
Wasn't he a wise old bird?"
In silence, in stillness, we connect to a divine source. Speech, however, is mighty in its season and on no account to be neglected!
** Let THEM do most of the talking, that they might thereby deafen themselves with their own tongues! (For a deafened enemy is deaf to our approach, yes?) All dialogue with "them" is wasted endeavor, like unto a journey across a polluted tidal mud-flat: it reeks most foully, it sucks every step of the way, and all trace of your passage is soon to be obliterated by the shifting waters.
Our Exposing Feminism is still fighting bravely over there ...
It's just that with now 747 comments to that disgraceful propaganda piece and 40 visitors online in their comments section, I'm now haunted by the mental image of Mr. Jeff Fecke doing a little "Ohh I'm sooo important!" break-dance in his hut in Eagan, Minnesota...
@Ghost: I thank you sir, for the props, which are highly appreciated at this point in time. :)
ive been lurking through the various MRA blogs for about a year now since i first discovered them though i havent posted ever. i guess i was starting on the bachelor road since i was 14 and said i would never get married. a few years ago at 18 i bought a tshirt which i still have and wear which says. "Not all men are stupid, some are bachelors!" the older i get ,which all in all so far isnt that old, the more that t shirt rings true. regarding your recent blog post i have also ran into the same thing...more men are in on this than we think.....here is a theory i throw out for everyone out there.
men know how to keep secrets or at least keep their mouth shut.
not just in that we have been conditioned...we have in some ways....but strategic instinct....its better not to let your enemy see you coming from miles away...surprise and hopefully victory are then easier to achieve
i ran into a british guy(in his late 20s, business man, smartly dressed, etc) in berlin going through airport security and in about 1 minute we were discussing the nanny state of england. started off with security in general, then security in england, followed by bam!....unemployed "baby factories"(his words) on welfare with council flats and how whack laws are and how society is slanted...he was not in on the MRA blogs or movement though he had heard of it. these things were his opinions and he had done good research. he said most of his friends thought similarily. you would never guess he thought this way by looking at him or even talking to him in regular conversation. but this conversation also made me notice that change in the wind....like a stiff northern breeze is coming.
times are changing boys....
@anonymous: I am honored that you have decided to "de-lurk" for the first time at CF. ;) Hey, don't be a stranger!
As for your comment, I think it is the kind of thing that others would like to hear about, so I am going to construct an entire post around it! :)
It is in fact WE who threaten THEM with "loss of privilege", and they know it.
The best defense is a good offense.
Quoting myself: "Male privilege is feminist codespeak for 'anything we wish to steal from men.'"
Well, a close enough paraphrase. . .
Yes FB there's a lot of inertia. Many men are caught between fires. Recover from severe losses as best they can - in an unfriendly social construct produced by fems' pressure and lies. Or: fight the new reality with a political move. Maybe both are needed to run together. The problem, as I see it, is that a few clever 'strokes' over the years - to wit: 'Fault' free divorce, abortion on demand, equality heists; family court bias etc have become entrenched in 'law and custom'- even though many women probably did NOT want such licence- I would opine. Now, it is hard to see a mechanism for getting the 'Genie' back in the the bottle. We are now so well over-regulated and constrained by PolCor chains. Many may 'think' rebellion -but few try just yet. I take your point that men are waking to the reality, I agree. I just feel a big rock will have to hit before a re-appraisal occurs where it counts. Time will tell !! 5k
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