Saturday, February 07, 2009

"Women Were Oppressed" and All that Sort of Thing . . . .

Here is another guest column by a correspondent, which arrived via the alpha channel yesterday. I think you will agree it is high-octane material!
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Dear Fidelbogen,

Forgive me. But as the last post on CF garnered forty-some responses, (not all of them relevant) my mind has been over-productive lately. . . . .

To quote from a previous post on CF:

"Opinions regarding sexual politics mirror the fact that we live in a feminist culture. Feminism is no longer a form of what Foucault termed "subjugated knowledges." Rather, the reverse is true. The critical analysis of feminist thinking, now found mainly on the internet, is closer to currently "repressed" knowledge. "

To wit:

This is a man's world only in a metaphorical or superficial sense. It is not a "male dominated" world imposed on women. Rather, it is a world built on the common expectations of men and women. What some call "patriarchy" has been just as much a creation of women's traditional expectations as men's.

The above assertion contradicts the feminist's tenet that: "Men define women." We replace it with the more anthropological view that men's and women's roles are defined by the expectations of both sexes..

More philosophically, feminist theory revises the Hobbesian theorist's version of citizenship that posits consent and voluntarism as the basis for social relationships in civil society. Where as Hobbesian theory is concerned with the social contract, feminist theory seeks to explain the origins of the "sexual contract." In point of fact, feminists writers and women's studies groups raise the topic of origins as if feminist strategy cannot be discussed without some prior discussion of it, no matter how brief. Driven by a feminist desire to prove conquest, the feminist origin story relies on conjecture and stereotypes when historical and textual accuracy are impossible. It also fails to recognize that evolutionary transformations are far more gradual (and blameless) than their metaphorical 'sexual contract' relates.

The feminist narrative begins with an "original rape" where men take away women's edenic autonomy by claiming both women and their children for themselves. These events are presumably caused by a male "need" to possess others as their property in the pejorative sense. Note: This is a stereotypical description of "pre-patriarchal" male behavior rather than an explanation for it—founded on the presumption that men are just naturally abusive, beasts that they are.

While the social contract is a hypothetical device, feminist treatment of the sexual contract implies that it was factual history, now manifest in the institutions and practices of contemporary society. As we might expect, this way of thinking has it that men's "naked self-interest" has been tamed by a civil society whose trajectory is now being determined by feminism's effects. In short, owing to feminism, the old "sexual contract" is being dismantled and men reformed.

With this political "just so story" in place, young women in the humanities are told of their sex's historical oppression under the patriarchy. (Not of their sex's part in creating it.) From here their lives are problematized by feminists whose aim is to indoctrinate new recruits for the struggle ahead. Supposedly, this struggle will not be over until young girls in the future can open their history books and read of as many great women as great men.

Feminism strives for a continuity of purpose in its ranks against the "patriarchy" whose simple, monstrous image must be retained in all of its precision. The monster too must be said to have a continuity of purpose. Origin stories of the monster's repressive beginnings and subsequent transgressions are told. Signs of the monster's evil purpose are reported everywhere. Feminism can only hope to weaken, to break down the monster.
Destroying the monster, feminists would have to absent themselves from it and such exteriority is possible only by living in another world—a fanciful matriarchal world.

Intellectual sympathy for feminism may be loosening within the general public. Nevertheless, feminism is, at least among liberals, a sacred cow. Poking at it, let along killing it, is taboo. One fact seldom mentioned about feminist truth is that like most truth, it is founded upon a repetitious reasoning referred to an argumentum ad populum: generalities, cliches, slogans, platitudes, sanctimonious claptrap, statistics without context, and old fashioned hyperbole.

For example, here is one common platitude:

Once upon a time, prior to the feminist movement, "women had no say".. or so they say. At least in Western democracies, where leadership is chosen by the vote, it's been a slow slog for women to the top.. However, democracy as we know it is relatively new.. Monarchism was the rule before it. And in monarchies, many women rose to the top and many had "more say" than even feminists would want....

Consider this statement by Queen Victoria,

"I am most anxious to enlist everyone who can speak or write to join in checking this mad, wicked folly of 'Women's Rights', with all its attendant horrors, on which her poor feeble sex is bent, forgetting every sense of womanly feelings and propriety. Feminists ought to get a good whipping. Were woman to 'unsex' themselves by claiming equality with men, they would become the most hateful, heathen and disgusting of beings and would surely perish without male protection."


The queen was rather shrill.

Let's choose another example: The fact that women rose to power and had plenty of "say" is best encapsulated in this complaint by Émilie du Châtelet (17 December 1706 -- 09 October 1749) a French mathematician, physicist, and author,

"I feel the full weight of the prejudice which so universally excludes us from the sciences; it is one of the contradictions in life that has always amazed me, seeing that the law allows us to determine the fate of great nations, but that there is no place where we are trained to think ... Let the reader ponder why, at no time in the course of so many centuries, a good tragedy, a good poem, a respected tale, a fine painting, a good book on physics has ever been produced by a woman. Why these creatures whose understanding appears in every way similar to that of men, seem to be stopped by some irresistible force, but until they do, women will have reason to protest against their education. ... I am convinced that many women are either unaware of their talents by reason of the fault in their education or that they bury them on account of prejudice for want of intellectual courage. My own experience confirms this. Chance made me acquainted with men of letters who extended the hand of friendship to me. ... I then began to believe that I was a being with a mind ... "

Châtelet's observation is not that women lack positions of power, but rather that what her sex lacked in achievements was due to a lack of emphasis on their education. Her voice is missing the misandrist tone common to modern day feminism in that she does not blame men specifically but society as a whole. Indeed, her own experience with men of letters shows that far from suffering prejudice, her intellect was roundly welcomed. Is Émilie du Châtelet's experience with men an aberration? After all, modern accounts of great women never fail to allude to the trials they endured owing to masculine insecurity. Of course, these same accounts never—and I mean absolutely never—credit those men who gladly encouraged and supported these same women in their endeavors.

Consider the Men's League for Women's Suffrage, whose numbers included several leaders of the Labour Party, including James Keir Hardie, George Lansbury and Philip Snowdon. Frederick Pethick-Lawrence helped to fund Votes for Women and provided bail for nearly a thousand members of the Women's Social and Political Union (WSPU) who were arrested for breaking the law. How often do feminist pay their respects to these men? Probably about as often as our modern educational system informs students of their existence. The need to cast men as the enemy is apparently greater than the need to not to. How many students even know that most men could not vote in the United States until the presidency of Andrew Jackson? The general presumption is that voting is a "natural right" men have always possessed—and denied women. In actuality, voting, like drawing straws, was first a practice, just something people did to facilitate group action. That a few men, probably organizing in and amongst themselves toward the attainment of various goals, were first to institute the practice of voting is not considered.
The fact that voting is a practice that took time to evolve is also lost on the public. Instead, it deems voting a "natural right," that once conceived, ought to have been immediately extended universally to all!

Popular culture's understanding of history is almost entirely stereotypical. These stereotypes are, in turn, derived from modern lore about the past. (The sort of stuff you might see on PBS or the History Channel) ) Consequently,
our normative image of the past is one in which women (as a class) were ever struggling against their male oppressor's machinations to keep them down. More often than not, we are told, with no little amount of indignation that, "Women were mere chattels, under foot, with no say!" The imagery is effective and thoroughly depressing. The fact that, not too long ago, most women thought personality differences were "in the blood," that the differences between men and women were ingrained by nature, that the moral world they inhabited was given by God is now irrelevant to ourBlockquote understanding of women's position in the world. Far from having brought their own morality down upon their own heads, the current picture of women prior to the 1960s is that they were unwitting dupes of male conspiracy; brainwashed by men to accept their "second class citizenship." Naturally, in as much as people continue to prefer simple answers and simple explanations, this dreary and colorless view of women's previous social status unfortunately prevails. This view is redoubled again and again by ethnocentric accounts of the suffering of women in other cultures. The "patriarchy" serves as the default explanations from everything from female circumcision to honor killings. That such practices would not exist were it not for "patriarchy" is, of course, a proposition without proof. Unfortunately, as with explanations of the universe that invoke supra-natural agency, few people consider the validity of facts based on faulty logic.

31 Comments:

Blogger Armageddon Thru To You said...

Armageddon Thru To You

If you've been wondering why it seems like the world around us is unraveling, it's because the last days as foretold in the bible are now upon us. Just as it was 2000 years ago, many were unable to discern the signs of Jesus Christ's first coming (Mat 16:3), as will many concerning his second coming, which will occur very soon. Yes many have proclaimed a similar sentiment many times in the past, but their errors have no bearing on today other than to lull you into spiritual apathy, and that too was prophesied to occur in the last days.


If you're not a believer in Jesus Christ because you're an atheist, consider that the underlying impetus for your disbelief is most likely borne of pride and here's why:

When we die, if you as an atheist were right, then there is no upside or downside for anyone regarding the afterlife. We will all simply cease to exist

However if we Christians were right about our belief in the afterlife, then we will be given eternal life and you as an atheist will receive eternal damnation

Given the choices, the position held by an atheist is a fools bet any way you look at it because the atheist has everything to lose and nothing to gain. It is tantamount to accepting a “heads I win, tails you lose” coin toss proposition from someone. And that someone by the way is Satan (see Ephesians 6:12).

The only way to explain the attitude held by an atheist is pride, pure and simple. The intellectually dishonest and/or tortured reasoning used by atheists to try and disprove the existence of God is nothing more than attempts to posture themselves as superior (a symptom of pride). And as anyone who has read their bible knows, this is precisely the character flaw that befell Lucifer, God's formerly most high angel. (Isaiah 14:12-15). Is it any wonder then why the bible is so replete with references to pride as the cause of mankind's downfall?

Pride permeates our lives and burdens us in ways that most of us seldom recognize. Ironically, pride is the one thing that can blind someone to things even the unsighted can see. And sadly pride will blind many with an otherwise good heart, to accepting the offer of eternal salvation that Christ bought and paid for with his life.


In any event, if you're an atheist, I wish you only the best for every day of the rest of your life because for you, this life is as close to heaven as you'll ever get, but for believers in Christ, this life is as close to hell as we'll ever get.





If you're not a believer and follower of Jesus Christ because you are of another faith, please take the time to very carefully compare your faith to Christianity and ask yourself, why is the bible the only religious book with both hundreds of proven prophecies already fulfilled as well as those being fulfilled today? No other religion can claim anything remotely close to this fact. Many Christians who are serious students of bible prophecy are already aware of the role and significance of bible prophecy in foretelling end time events. God gave us prophecy as evidence of his divine holiness to know the begining from the end (Isa 46:10). God also believed prophecy to be so important that to those willing to read the most prophetic book in the bible, the Book of Revelation, he promised a special blessing (see Rev 1:3), and this is the only book in the bible that God gives its reader a special blessing for reading. Something to think about.


Don't risk losing Christ's offer of eternal life by not accepting him as your savior and by thinking that the bible is nothing more than a compilation of unrelated and scattered stories about people who lived 2,000 plus years ago. If you take the time to study (not just read) the bible, you will literally be shocked to learn things you would have never imagined would be revealed in it. Did you know that like parables, God also uses particular months and days in the Jewish calendar, Jewish Feasts and customs, solar and lunar phases, celestial alignments, gematria (Hebrew numerology) early bible events and more as patterns and models to foretell future events?


Consider the following interesting facts about the bible that testify to its God-inspired authorship:

Did you know that in Gen 12:2, God said he would bless Israel?. How else can you explain the grossly disproportionate level of success achieved by Jewish people as a tiny minority in the world, especially after all they have gone through? And how can you explain the success achieved by the tiny nation of Israel, surrounded by enemies outnumbering them 100 to 1 and yet still they remain victorious in all their wars?


Did you know that as evidence to indicate that Israel is the epicenter of the world from God's point of view is the fact that languages to the west of Israel are written and read from left to right as if pointing to Israel, and languages from countries to the east of Israel are written and read from right to left, again as though pointing to Israel. Just a coincidence, you say? I think not.


Did you know that the six days of creation and seventh day of rest in Genesis is a model for the six thousand years of this age (ending very soon), that is to be followed by a 1,000 year millennial reign by Christ (see 2 Peter 3:8)? Adam was born sometime prior to 4000 B.C., therefore our 6000 years are almost up.


Did you kow that the Gospel of Jesus Christ is hidden in the meaning of the Hebrew names listed in the genealogy of the book of Genesis (Research it online)? To deny this was God-inspired, one has to instead believe that a group of Jewish rabbis conspired to hide the Christian Gospel right inside a genealogy of their venerated Torah, which is not a very plausible explanation.


Did you know that solar eclipses, which the bible describes as the sun being black as sackcloth, and lunar eclipses, which the bible refers to as blood red moons, have prophetic meaning? Research it online. God showed Adam (and us) his plan for man's redemption through the use of celestial alignments. (research Mazzaroth online)

Did you know that much of the symbolism in the book of revelation refers to planetary alignments that will occur when certain events occur as prophesied? These planetary alignments also explained the birth of Christ, just search out The Bethlehem Star movie on the Internet.

Did you know that the references in Eze 39:4-17 and Rev 19:17-21 in the battle of Gog/Magog and Armageddon respectively, in which birds of prey will eat the flesh of the dead in battle from two enormous wars is based on fact? The largest bird migration in the world consisting of bilions of birds (34 species of raptors and various carrion birds) from several continents converge and fly over Israel every spring and fall. Coincidence? I think not.

Did you know that Hebrew numerology, also known as Gematria, and the numbers with biblical and prophetic significance are hidden in the Star of David? Google the video called "Seal of Jesus Christ"

Did you know that the seven Churches mentioned at the beginning of the Book of Revelation describe the seven stages the Church will go through?

There are literally hundreds of hidden messages in the bible like these that testify to the fact that the bible was God inspired, and statistically speaking, are all exponentially beyond the likelihood of any coincidence. You can find them yourselves if you only take the time to look into it. Remember Proverbs 25:2 "It is the glory of God to conceal a matter; to search out a matter is the glory of kings".


And finally, if you are Catholic, or one who subscribes to the emergent Church or seeker-friendly Church movement, please compare the doctrine taught, advocated or accepted by your Church, with the actual bible, notwithstanding some new-age version of the bible. And remember that although the bible is often referred to as the living bible, the word "living" was never intended to imply in any way that the bible "evolves" over time to meet, or be consistent with, the standards of man. It's just the opposite.


Well, am I getting through to you? If not, the answer might be explained in the response given by Jesus Christ in his Olivet discourse when he was asked by his disciples why he spoke the way he did (in parables, etc.) in the book of Matthew 13:10-16. What Jesus said could have easily been paraphrased more clearly as "so that the damned won't get it". Why did Christ respond the way he did when asked why he spoke this way? Is there something about pride (the bible says there is) that closes one's heart to seeing or hearing the messages supernaturally hidden in bible parables, models, typologies, and similes, etc.? That should give you something to think about, but don't take too long. Time is now very short.


If it sometimes seems like there are powers at work behind the powers we know, remember what it says in Ephesians 6:12 "For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms." If you study the bible, it will become clearer.


And by the way, if you are a scoffer, this too was prophesied to occur in the last days. See 2 Peter 3:3.


Thank you and God Bless you!
Armageddon.thru.to.you (at) gmail.com

8:12 PM  
Blogger reality2008 said...

Looked for your email address but I couldn't find it here- because I want youto see my new video 'Twwnty First Century Female' here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIVHGDvR8UA

9:04 PM  
Anonymous Michael said...

Two interesting, recent UK newspaper articles:

Sexist feminism
http://tinyurl.com/d2s8c5

Madonna syndrome: I should have ditched feminism for love, children and baking
http://tinyurl.com/azsvxd

Is there change in the air, or are they just readjusting their methods?

10:37 AM  
Blogger Fidelbogen said...

@Michael:

They are are readusting their methods because there is a change in the air. ;) I have been noticing this for a while, but it is always nice to accumulate more evidence. . .

I will go now and have a look at those links.

6:42 PM  
Blogger Fidelbogen said...

@Armageddon:

Sir, your verbosity floors me! ;>}

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@Reality2008:

Sadly, I am UTube challenged at the moment. But I will take a look when I get to a more cooperative computer system, eg. the public library. . .

If you couldn't find my e-mail address, perhaps you were not looking for the red letters at the upper right of the blog page.

But just in case, it is:

fidelbogen@earthling.net

8:24 PM  
Anonymous Michael said...

@Fidelbogen: Here's a secret weapon against any 'Attack of the Jesus Zombies': http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/
It's the only Bible I'd love to have in a printed version. ;-)

1:41 AM  
Blogger Fidelbogen said...

@Michael:

Another (not so secret) weapon that I could have used, would have been moderation.

Or could STILL use: deletion.

However, anything for cheep entertainment, say I! And so, it stands.

But I am SO hoping for an Attack of the Femzombies! Why do they disappoint me?? :((

1:06 PM  
Anonymous Michael said...

@Fidelbogen: No Femzombies here because they're unwilling to process coherent sentences. Using their brains for decoding texts threatening their world view is an unpleasantness they do not engage in, because they don't see an advantage in that.
As an experiment, try something for triggering their blood lust, draw an offending comic or something like that... ;-) The Femzombies only want to play with you if you meet their expectations, and only if they're dead sure they can win the game...

4:26 PM  
Blogger Fidelbogen said...

@Michael:

"The Femzombies only want to play with you if you meet their expectations . . ."

Or, as I like to say, if you give them any grappling points.

Without grappling points, you are a smooth, slippery surface. They cannot get a hold upon you, which means they cannot manipulate you and swing you around in the way they wish! :-(

4:59 PM  
Anonymous julie said...

This is good.

5:03 AM  
Anonymous julie said...

Okie Dokie then.

I don't see a feminist arguing nor do I see a discussion. Hmmm, maybe the thread can be opened up?

I didn't wait for a reply.

Soooooooo,

I have been thinking about the global community again.

BTW, loved this.

AFGHANISTAN: BUILDING ON TRADITIONS OF PEACEMAKING

Abdul Aziz Yaqubi works in the office of the American Friends Service Committee, the Quaker-founded aid and advocacy group, in Kabul, Afghanistan. Sam Diener, co-editor of the AFSC journal Peacework interviewed him via e-mail in November 2008. The interview was conducted with assistance from AFSC staff members Peter Lems, the program director for Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Iran; and Patricia Omidian, the acting country representative for AFSC in Kabul and a faculty member of the Aga Khan University in Karachi, Pakistan.

What women's rights work going on right now do you believe is particularly effective?

I think this is an area of incredible gains and incredible mis-steps. Local women moving the situation forward with the help of foreigners is productive. Foreigners coming in and demanding changes causes a backlash. Training women is great but men have to change too, so the training needs to target men as much as women. The Ministry of Women's Affairs has been mostly ineffective because it is easy to relegate it to the sidelines. In some ways it does as much to keep women from gaining parity as it helps. It has a very tarnished image in the country, and is seen as more like an NGO than a ministry. It tends to do programs rather than set policy.
http://ww4report.com/node/6760

I am reminded of the Pacific Island men and women. The women did a lot of good work with money that came forward like providing clean water for everyone and other basic necessities but women rule in many of the Pacific Islands.

So they have caused more problems than solutions following the feminist logic. Especially since the women are violent also. They have had men's refuges hush-hush behind the scenes for quite some time now.

BUT.... one thing about the Islands is there strong families. No matter what mainstream programs are offered the Islanders sort it out themselves amongst their own.

Anyhow, back to my train of thought.

Technology has made us global. The Internet itself is an amazing global community.

How can we as a global community all respect the different cultures? If someone of certain social views comes across another who does not respect their social views, then how can they work together?

And then you have religions with each one believing they have the right God and everyone else is going to hell........ Gosh, religion has caused some major headaches.

We really have to find a way, a common ground, something that can link everyone together. Of course television is one way and education is another but how do you keep one power from wanting to take over another power?

After all, one of our traits as humans is to lift above, to use our full potential. But as always when you reach one goal, you want to reach another. And while certain people are capable, others are not, so you have to find a way to even people's ability for a fair playing field.

Which has me thinking about leadership positions and how so many positions are meant to go to certain groups of people regardless if someone can do the job better in another group. (can't think of the word to use at the moment).

Anyhow, I thought about sport and how it is normal to give everyone a chance.

When you compete at a National or global level you are representatives of an area.

Example; Say each country puts a team into a competition. These players are chosen because of their area not because of their ability. One country's players may have less skills than another countries rejects. It is just the way it works.

Anyhow, I am raving.

I guess my point of all this is that we need to decide what it is we are targeting and for what reasons.

Just today I was reminded of something.

The abortion movement.

If a female falls pregnant, we don't expect the male to stick around. He has the choice not to because we consider, "A woman's body, a women's responsibility".

Yet we contradict this by fighting, "A woman's body, a woman's choice".

I personally don't find abortion worth fighting because I don't see any way out except to go back to the old village way of shaming sex and hiding a pregnant woman and then taking her baby off her.

But then, some cultures would stone the woman to death for having sex outside of marriage.

So which culture is to rule in the global community? At present we need to adjust when we cross the boarders but can we keep this up as a global community? Both sexes are closing the gap by choosing partners from different cultures.

For me, to be a non feminist is to throw the bias away. To progress for human equality for all. Even if this means women have to become self sufficient.

For men and women to be given equal worth. In the case of abortion, I think it is a couples decision. I think that couples need counselling beforehand, not just the woman and that our education programs should be non gender biased so each can explain to the other how each side feels about the situation to discourage the deceptiveness.

End of rave.

2:59 AM  
Blogger Fidelbogen said...

@Julie:

The feminist idea that "the personal is the political" is the biggest disaster to hit the world for quite some time.

Totalitarian to the core.

As for 'non-feminism': other than not being feminist, it isn't really anything in particular. . .
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As for abortion, I would follow the standard MRA line. If women can "opt out of parenthood" (as presently), then men need to have that option also.

Either. . . A)ban abortion and make both sexes equally responsible for offspring they create, OR. . . B)Keep abortion legal, and give men an equal right to "abort" their own parenthood (so to speak).

In other words: Consistency.

NO MORE DOUBLE STANDARDS.

6:00 AM  
Anonymous julie said...

Firstly, I may have misunderstood the AFGHANISTAN: BUILDING ON TRADITIONS OF PEACEMAKING answer. I have to think about that a bit more.


Either. . . A)ban abortion and make both sexes equally responsible for offspring they create, OR. . . B)Keep abortion legal, and give men an equal right to "abort" their own parenthood (so to speak).

In other words: Consistency.


I agree there needs to be consistency. I don't have any answers for this except state power.

Which is why I am thinking about the global community.

I wonder if the next revolution is social anarchism?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism#Social_anarchism

Individual anarchism I am thinking is the same as MGTOW.

I am just expanding on knowledge.

6:56 AM  
Anonymous Michael said...

"Individual anarchism" - I like the sound of that. :-)

This world could have taken a completely different course ... no nation states, no mindset that chops nature into unrecognisable pieces as tiny as possible and calls it "scientific progress", no irreversible exploitation of the planet we are a part of, no humiliation of individuals through the machinery of capitalist or communist systems ...
Probably there wouldn't be any Internet around then, but we all might be a bit happier and human. Maybe so far we haven't received any space signals from alien civilisations because they're all much wiser then we are by not having touched the "tech civilization" path with any of their 59 tentacles ...

3:27 AM  
Blogger Fidelbogen said...

@Julie:

The answer is, to get drunk as a lord, tear feminism into 1000 pieces, and then go back and tear each of those pieces into 1000 pieces! ;)

@All:

"Individual anarchism"

Yes. I think I have been an "individual anarchist" all my life, since long before I ever gave any thought to feminism, either pro or con.

And I do believe that is what set me on the war path against feminism...

It is because feminism transgressed against my "individual anarchism"!

No, pardon me, the word is "autarchism". . . .

Yup. The personal becomes the political. I can spin that saying MY way! :))

6:25 PM  
Anonymous julie said...

@Michael.

"Individual anarchism" - I like the sound of that. :-)

Neat of you to say so!

@CF,

The answer is, to get drunk as a lord, tear feminism into 1000 pieces, and then go back and tear each of those pieces into 1000 pieces! ;)

And then.... ?

No, pardon me, the word is "autarchism". . . .

NIIIIICCCE.

Yup. The personal becomes the political. I can spin that saying MY way! :))

You have put this well. Yes, this IS why men have their own anarchy movement and why they had one even to gain the right to vote.

1:49 AM  
Blogger Fidelbogen said...

"And then.... ?"

And then I throw the little pieces up in the air like confetti, and watch where they fall. Who knows where they will fall?

11:10 PM  
Anonymous julie said...

And then I throw the little pieces up in the air like confetti, and watch where they fall. Who knows where they will fall?

You're a funny guy!

I suppose I could ask, "And then what?", over and over again and we might finally get to "A hangover the next day". lol

Anyhow, I bet you know what comes next. You are way ahead of me.

4:48 AM  
Anonymous julie said...

Hey CF, another day, another 10 cents!

Thought you might be interested in this.

http://www.afed.org.uk/ace/manifest.html

easier....

http://tinyurl.com/2b7mbx

11:13 AM  
Blogger Fidelbogen said...

@Julie:

You guessed right, I found it interesting. ;)

12:09 PM  
Blogger Marty Lee said...

To Julie,

The word for American attempts to export Christianity, democracy, and feminism is ethnocentric. Another word for it is arrogant.

5:57 PM  
Anonymous julie said...

@CF,

You guessed right, I found it interesting. ;)

Oh, you didn't just do what I think you did?

You sneaky so and so!

Nah, this didn't happen. (yes, it did)

NIIIICCE!

10:43 PM  
Anonymous julie said...

Marty Lee said...

The word for American attempts to export Christianity, democracy, and feminism is ethnocentric. Another word for it is arrogant.

Thank-you for your imput. I am shocked how NZ is aware of things.

I think sometimes that NZ knows more about America than Americans do.

But not only NZ.

10:48 PM  
Blogger Fidelbogen said...

"I think sometimes that NZ knows more about America than Americans do.

But not only NZ."


I have, for most of my life, suspected that the rest of the world knows more about America than Americans do. Americans are the most hopeless people anywhere for the art of "know thyself". Liberals and Lefties are the biggest offenders of all in this department!

It occurs to me that Americans are very much like feminists in one respect: that the outside world understands them better than they understand themselves.

There is an "American subjectivism" just as there is a FEMINIST SUBJECTIVISM. (And so American feminists have a double dose of the disease!) :(

But of course, Americans understand best what it means to live in America as an American. That is one dimension of knowledge which the rest of the world hasn't got. . .

11:42 PM  
Blogger Fidelbogen said...

@Jules:

"Oh, you didn't just do what I think you did?"

DID I?? I've no idea, but since you say it is 'NIIIICCE!', I reckon I'll just smile and take credit for it!

Hey, aren't I a sneaky so-and-so? ;)

11:51 PM  
Blogger Fidelbogen said...

A curious phenomenon (which has been reported from time to time) is that Americans tend to "act like Americans" when they are OUTSIDE of the USA. At home with other Americans, they are completely different. (Unless they are traveling as tourists to another part of the USA — then they "act like Americans" again, to the annoyance of their fellow Americans in that particular region!)

12:06 AM  
Anonymous julie said...

Fidelbogen said...

A curious phenomenon (which has been reported from time to time) is that Americans tend to "act like Americans" when they are OUTSIDE of the USA.

Is this when they wave their little flags in a gang disrespecting the native country? hehehe

I have seen bus loads of them doing this? It is kind of .... ummm... hmm, DIFFERENT.


At home with other Americans, they are completely different.

Yes, I think so.

I love the show swapping wives. That is one of the funniest and saddest and coolest shows.


(Unless they are traveling as tourists to another part of the USA — then they "act like Americans" again, to the annoyance of their fellow Americans in that particular region!)

So you cop it also?

Wow, you might cop it soon just for saying this stuff.

4:38 AM  
Blogger Coffee Catholic said...

Femminists are insane. Seriously! They have totally created an alternate reality (and history) that never existed and never happened!

"Rather, it is a world built on the common expectations of men and women."

Exactly!!

10:28 AM  
Blogger Coffee Catholic said...

"And finally, if you are Catholic, or one who subscribes to the emergent Church ... please compare the doctrine taught, advocated or accepted by your Church, with the actual bible..."

Jesus did not write a bible, He established a church to be our earthly leader and our earthly authority. This church gave us the bible. It is not wise to bite the hand that feeds you.

10:30 AM  
Blogger Fidelbogen said...

@CC:

"Femminists are insane. Seriously! They have totally created an alternate reality (and history) that never existed and never happened!"

Michelle, it sounds like you have copped the grist of the matter.

So basically then, I define the task at hand as: chipping away. . . undermining . . . inserting a wedge in every crack that can be found and flailing with a 10-lb. hammer!

Some day, the whole structure will collapse and crumble, but in the meantime. . .

It's not an easy job!~ :(

5:41 PM  
Blogger Coffee Catholic said...

"Some day, the whole structure will collapse and crumble, but in the meantime. . .

It's not an easy job!~ :( ..."


Yeah, but it's fun!!
**Giggle**

1:27 PM  

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