Saturday, July 11, 2009

Another Glimpse of the Real Feminism™

Here is a long, revealing interview with the infamous radical lesbian separatist feminist (and lapsed Catholic) Mary Daly, published in What Is Enlightenment? magazine in 1998:

http://www.enlightennext.org/magazine/j16/daly.asp?page=1

So now you know what a Real Feminist™ is. They don't get any realer than Mary Daly! In this interview, Mary mentions a book that she had recently published, called Quintessence. Well, I would say that Mary Daly herself is the quintessence of feminism—and that means all of feminism, not just some small, obscure corner of it. Mary Daly is the quintessential feminist, the gravitating singularity, the gold standard if you will, the true index by which you must gauge your own feminism, or lack of same. Simply put, the less like Mary Daly you are, the more feministically marginal you are, the more irrelevant you are in terms of feminism's core principles. And yet, if you insist on embracing the "feminist" descriptor for any reason whatsoever, then you are living on a slippery hillside pointing directly toward Mary Daly and people of her kind. Think very carefully, and decide if that is the sort of company you wish to keep. Then consider disowning the word "feminist", and calling yourself something entirely different. Because if you don't, you should expect the same treatment that Mary Daly dishes out to MEN!

What's that you say? It's unfair to treat all feminists the way that radfems treat all men? Well I think its bloody ill-mannered of radfems to treat all men that way in the first place! So please don't cry on my shoulder about unfairness: of course its unfair! When was unfairness ever fair? Quit your damned whining! And then, do the right thing and get on the right side. After all, we're not treating all women the way radfems treat all men. Just all feminists! So I think that sounds pretty fair after all!

Here is an extract from the interview:
WIE: Which brings us to another question I wanted to ask you. Sally Miller Gearhart, in her article "The Future—If There Is One—Is Female" writes: "At least three further requirements supplement the strategies of environmentalists if we were to create and preserve a less violent world. 1) Every culture must begin to affirm the female future. 2) Species responsibility must be returned to women in every culture. 3) The proportion of men must be reduced to and maintained at approximately ten percent of the human race." What do you think about this statement?

MD: I think it's not a bad idea at all. If life is to survive on this planet, there must be a decontamination of the Earth. I think this will be accompanied by an evolutionary process that will result in a drastic reduction of the population of males. People are afraid to say that kind of stuff anymore.

WIE: Yes. I find myself now thinking that's a bit shocking.

MD: Well, it's shocking that it would be shocking.

WIE: So it doesn't sound like your vision of a separate nation for women is something you see as an interim stage that would eventually lead to men and women living together in true equality.

MD: No. That's a very old question. I answered that to audiences twenty-five, thirty years ago. I just don't think that way. See, right now, I would be totally joyous to have a great community of women—whether men are somewhere out on the periphery or not. I don't have this goal of: "Oh, then we can all get together again!" That doesn't seem to be a very promising future. So why would I think about it? I think it's pretty evident that men are not central to my thought.


Fine. If Mary Daly declares that men are "not central to her thought", then I certainly won't hold it against her. However, Mary Daly (or anybody else for that matter) ought to understand that by the principle of compensative symmetry, certain men may likewise refuse to make women central to their thought, and that if this be the case, these men are certainly entitled to their opinion.

Very well then. Real Feminism™ is a many-splendored thing with a great diversity of aspects, yet we need not entertain a single crumb of doubt what kind of future it would create for men. A couple of months ago, I posted about another Real Feminist™ and the Real Feminism™ that she wishes to realize. Now would be an excellent time to read that post again: counterfem.blogspot.com/2009/05/real-feminism-as-real-as-it-gets.html

So, do you STILL prefer to call yourself a "feminist"? Then go line up with Mary Daly, Susan Caringella, and a passel of others like them. Or if you unfortunately haven't got the stomach to do that, then just stop calling yourself a feminist altogether! But either way, make your critical decision and get the hell off that fence!

Yes, the world slouches toward Armageddon, and I am exactly the kind of 'patriarch' that Mary Daly thinks I am. As if I had any decent choice. . .

Thank you! ;)

11 Comments:

Blogger Mareika said...

Just to add some more good serious info.

http://tinyurl.com/l3nzyf

2:01 AM  
Blogger Factory said...

I swear to God future historians are going to look on Feminism, and our current social memes, with abject horror. The misandrist, genocidal shit that spews from nearly all of the "luminaries"of the movement is truly impressive.

But hey, not ALL feminists are man-haters...just most of them...er, and the ideology itself is misandrist (of course).....

But not ALL, so I guess it's not "fair" to paint them all with the same broad brush....

PAH!

You identify as feminist, you are a evil human being...period. That's my view.

9:39 AM  
Blogger Fidelbogen said...

"You identify as feminist, you are a evil human being...period. That's my view."

Well, I wouldn't go quite that far. I would say, possibly an evil human being, but undoubtedly a critically flawed one.

One classic theory is Hannah Arendt's "banality of evil". This may fit the case of the average feminist as well as any other.

In other words, being critically flawed in a particular manner generates a certain particular outcome which in terms of its consequences is objectively difficult to distinguish from so-called "evil".

So maybe you are right after all, and maybe I am going too easy on them. . .

6:19 PM  
Blogger Mareika said...

Hey F, with all due respect (why do I need to write with all due respect? Am I insane or are words just words .... or do people just happen to be good if they write nice things?

I don't really get the idea of preserving words. How do you own words? How does words mean anything more than a legal interpretation?

Oh, never mind. I can't fathom your wisdom, I guess. Maybe it is just like music notes. You can't turn an F into an G.)


Damn, now I have gone off track on my question. lol

I looked up the sites you gave. But I wonder why you go on about the fence? Is she any different than the radical masculists?

Why do you want women to stop fighting anyhow? Do you want them to like nice guys who have no say in what bad men do?

Do you think the world will just care for women all on it's own?

In fact, do you think the world will care for men on it's own?

Has history or herstory of leaders ever succeeded in caeing for the people for a long term? Ever? And if so ... when?

4:31 AM  
Blogger Fidelbogen said...

"Is she any different from the radical masculists?"

I'd say she is a counterpart to them in a lot of ways, but that doesn't get her (or feminism) off the hook, so I really don't see how it's relevant.

As I've stated a time or three, I do not consider myself a "masculist". I don't stick that word to myself. I consider myself, foremost, a non-feminist. And more specifically, a counter-feminist technician. ;-)

And in broad terms, I call myself an MRA, because MRA is. . well. . a broad term. Broad enough to fit what I do, at any rate.

"Why do you want women to stop fighting anyhow? Do you want them to like nice guys who have no say in what bad men do?"

You are sounding like a feminist here.

First thing: you say "women", but do you really mean to say "feminists"? You should be clear about that, because "women" and "feminists" are different words that mean different things, and I'm sure you don't want to introduce confusion into the language. . .

Second thing: A lot of feminists are using the "what will replace feminism?" pitch, and you sound like you are saying something similar.

What will replace feminism? In a word, nothing.

Think of it this way: if you go to a surgeon to get a tumour taken out, does he ask you what to "replace" it with? Of course not!

Feminism is a tumour, and it needs to be taken out. That is all.

When feminism finally gets KICKED OFF THE HONOR ROLL, life for most women will NOT take a sudden dramatic plunge for the worse! I guarantee it. Life will simply go on in its timeless manner, and in some ways it might even get BETTER. Certainly for men it will get better.

The feminists want you to believe that they are the only thing standing between "women" and evil forces of patriarchal exploitation. Piffle!

Feminism feeds upon fear and ignorance, and it works unremittingly to make these things grow and grow, in order to secure a bigger and bigger food supply for itself.

I repeat, life for women will not suddenly take a nosedive if/when feminism gets shoved out of the picture. Upon my word of honor, there will be no measurable increase in the number of barefoot, pregnant females locked in kitchens! You can take that to the bank! ;)

However, if feminism REMAINS in the picture, life WILL get steadily, progressively, worse and worse. For men certainly, but for women too!

For all concerned.

Yes, we are better off without feminism, than with it. Men and women both!

"Do you think the world will just care for women all on it's own?"

I'm not very sure who or what "the world" is, in this sentence. Does it mean something like "the government"? Or "the state"?

But as for taking care of any necessary business. . . isn't that what friends are for?

4:45 PM  
Blogger Mareika said...

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7:20 PM  
Blogger Amateur Strategist said...

ergh, I have this notion that if I'm confident and truly believing in my position as an MRA, I'd be willing to read through others' opinions, even enemies', and remain unchanged...

However, THIS filth from daly was just AWFUL.

After the paragraph about how she just wouldn't/couldn't the position of any Man, I read a few more paragraphs and stopped, stuff like this is not worth reading and I don't regret skipping the last page. If you can call her a "person", people like this that don't even acknowledge the EXISTENCE of the other side aren't worth reading. Hypocritical? I was willing to read most of that drivel, and with what I got, I can see what would be her position, I just don't care for what she has to say anymore after that remark.

Please tell me I don't have to read EVERY thing like that.

6:23 PM  
Blogger Fidelbogen said...

"Please tell me I don't have to read EVERY thing like that."

Absolutely not! And it's a pity that one "has to" read ANY of it.

However, to put this in perspective: I have read entire BOOKS by Mary Daly - hundreds of pages!.

Why? Well, certainly not because I 'enjoy' that crap. No, I am taking my cue from the old maxim of "know thine enemy."

And how can I know mine enemies, if I don't study them? But know them I must, for in times of war we need to gather intelligence.

I don't want to fall behind the curve; I don't want to get blindsided.

Besides, it is SO fascinating to discover just precisely how "the toe bone connects to the heel bone, and the heel bone connects to the ankle bone, etc etc etc...".

I like to know how mine enemy's universe is put together. That way, I know how to take it apart. ;)

I could send you some stuff that would really make you go "hmmmmm". Stuff that the general public never even hears about. . . ;)

However, getting back to Mary Daly: she is a Big Influence. The hardcore manhaters have studied her avidly indeed, and they take their cue from her in many ways. Her fingerprints are all over them, you might say.

9:43 PM  
Blogger Fidelbogen said...

@Comment deleted:

Too bad ya deleted that. I was gonna compose a verrry interesting reply. :(

9:46 PM  
Anonymous Sarah said...

Hmm, I commented but it didn't show up--wonder if it's the deleted one? I think I remember my browser hanging while I was trying to comment; perhaps I accidentally got rid of it. I'm sorry, I'm not very good at this whole blog thing yet (as if that wasn't obvious).

I was just trying to say thanks for posting it; good to get (and share) info on The Enemy whenever possible. This article is horrifying...that, um, "individual" scares me.

Excerpt: "Meeting Mary Daly, if you are a woman, is meeting a muse, a Siren, who beckons you to step through the mists of time into an enchanted, gynocentric other reality, an Avalon of only women's making."

I'm a woman, and "meeting" her through the article was meeting a scary, irrational, word-twisting, FANTASTICALLY self-centered, illogical, temper-tantrum-throwing creature from some alternate universe somewhere. Holy moly.

I could spend all day sitting here picking apart the logical fallacies in her wandering rants, but my husband will be home soon and would probably appreciate being fed ;) so just two things:

Daly: "Why are women so frenzied to buy the latest fashions? Because their lives are so empty and they've had no opportunities. Because their self-image has been so damaged. I can go on and on about the damage that has been done to women under patriarchy." I would agree 100% with that if you substituted "feminism" for "patriarchy!"

And the other quote I can't find right now and don't want to read through all of that drivel again, but she said something along the lines of she wasn't from this universe, or wasn't human or something like that, and THAT statement I was definitely going to agree with.

Interesting blog here, don't remember whose link I followed to it but I like it and I'll be back!

1:15 PM  
Blogger Fidelbogen said...

@Sarah:

Hey, nice to meet yet another "woman who gets it." Good of you to drop by! :)

And no, rest assured, the deleted comment is not yours. Actually, I do know whose it is. ;)

Yeah, Mary Daly's a real piece of work, ain't she? She even LOOKS like a feminazi!

Just imagine reading hundreds of pages of her ramblings, as I mentioned in my other comment. Believe me, it puts calluses on you brain very, very quickly!

I hope you enjoy the blog; there is certainly enough material to keep you busy for weeks on end if you are so inclined, and more edifying than Mary Daly, I hope!

Luckily, that is not hard to accomplish. ;)

5:52 PM  

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