Thursday, September 17, 2009

The Question of Feminist Guilt:
It Will Not Go Away



So. . . did feminism make this happen?

That is an important question. And a hard question—meaning, a persistent question which demands an answer. However, let's scrutinize this from another direction. In light of your own study of feminist behavior over many years, how do you suppose the average feminist would react when confronted by a story of this nature? For example, are you aware of any feminist website that would embed such a video as this, and thereupon invite its feminist readers to a spirited discussion of the issue which the video raises?

I would say: fat chance! For I have seen that most feminists will completely blow off such pesky little embarrassments by filtering them out of their world altogether—out of sight, out of mind! It is a rare feminist indeed, who would introduce any such material for discussion among her peers—polite silence is the order of the day; a communal agreement to "not go there." Still, they will sometimes be forced to handle these issues, and when such a moment arrives, the interlopers who apply the force in question will be given a special name: "trolls".

A troll, incidentally, is any person who enters a feminist space and subverts the feminist worldview.

And the feminists, who are certainly no slouches in such matters, have a witty saying which they love to wheel out on occasions when they feel compelled to express any opinion whatsoever about such things:

"Oh, but. . .what about teh menz??"


The burden of this apothegm is double-barrelled. On the one side, it translates very effectively as "let them eat cake!" And on the other, it amounts to an across-the-board "fuck you", tossed flippantly in the general direction of half the human race. This filthy snot-rag of a saying will typically fly from a feminist tongue any time somebody has the moxie to suggest that men's problems are as serious as women's, and so must be regarded seriously if women's problems are likewise to be regarded seriously.

But the problem with taking men's problem's seriously, is that you can't TRULY take them seriously if you don't grapple with the equally serious question of feminism's role in either creating those problems, or perpetuating their existence. Or putting it simply: the question of feminism's guilt.

Yes, the hard question: Did feminism make this happen?

Surely, if I were a feminist who had any conscience whatsoever, I would be squirming like a toad on a hot-plate if I were compelled to spend time thinking or talking about such things. But then, if I were a feminist who had any conscience whatsoever, I wouldn't be a feminist. . . would I? And in that case, my conscience would be clear, and I wouldn't need to squirm like a toad. . . would I?

We must consider, that during the last forty-odd years life has gotten worse for men in a multitude of ways. And in so considering, we must equally consider that this thing called feminism took a considerable hand in the proceedings. And therefore it becomes critically important to ask, repeatedly and in connection with a multitude of difficulties, the hard question: Did feminism make this happen? It becomes critically important to ask this question a LOT, because frankly, a lot of things cry out for such an inquest.

Feminism is conspicuous for both its presence and its absence as regards anti-male developments of every sort. For instance, feminists were indisputably present at the inception of many worrisome social trends that nowadays plague us all—but plague men in particular. Sometimes they actively initiated such things, and demonstrably launched them into the world. Or perhaps they early spoke in favor of such things, in words foreshadowing such things— urging the necessity of such things and making the inclination of their sympathies abundantly clear in regard to such things.

Other times, the initial contribution of feminism is not so plainly seen, yet the absence of present-day feminist voices upon such matters—the peculiar silence, the denial, the trivialization, the rationalization, the self-serving reinterpretation, the conversational avoidance, and above all the glaring failure to manifest a seemly sense of moral urgency—speaks with overpowering eloquence. So that even if the feminists cannot be shown to have directly supported the matter in the beginning, they clearly do so now. And that even if they didn't clearly make it happen in the beginning, they clearly make it happen now, by making it clear that they don't want it to stop happening.

And so again, the hard question of feminist guilt: Did feminism make this happen?

And the feminist reply: "Oh. . . but what about teh menz?"

It is a magic-wand statement, and for them it makes the world disappear. For truly, nothing medicates a seasick conscience quite like striking a jaunty pose of devil-may-care defiance in the company of a supportive peer group. Why be a guilty, squirming toad when it feels so much better to be a fashionably nihilistic toad?

But now, my good friends of the non-feminist sector, go and watch the video again in order to burn it more deeply into your brains!
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Update: 1 Dec 2010:


Unfortunately, this video (by the notorious Thugtician) has been removed. It wouldn't surprise me if Thugtician has been banned altogether from YouTube -- he "told it like it is" rather strongly, and had plenty of enemies!

But briefly: the video told the story of a man in Dauphin county, Pennsylvania, who got hit with the most outrageous case of paternity fraud you can possibly imagine -- the kind that buggers belief! And. . . the various bureaucrats and agencies conspired and lied outrageously to keep this man in his condition of slavery. Tom Leykis reported on the story, and Thugtician included a clip of Leykis in his YouTube video.

13 Comments:

Anonymous julie said...

Umm, are you asking a serious question?

Do YOU yourself know where child support came from? Do you know which side made it legislation and why?

2:31 AM  
Blogger Coffee Catholic said...

I kept waiting to hear the punch line, that "Oops, we realized you're not the father. Sorry!"

But they did this to this man even though they knew he WASN'T the father???????????

That's just... yeah. I don't even need to go on a rant. Everyone probably feels the same exact way!

4:47 AM  
Blogger Monad said...

Julie,



As you already know, there is a general consensus within the MRM that men are responsible for the problem we find ourselves in...we allowed feminism to proliferate into society.

Fidelbogen is spectacularly pointing out feminists' lack of discussion of the issues raised in the vid. He is NOT directing this at feminists or women, hoping they will give us poor men a break, but to alert other men of the true motives of feminism.

In fact my response was not written for you either, but for other men, to point out that after Fidelbogen's thoughtful discourse...all you had to say was an inference to:

"the menz did it, so it's the menz fault"

LMAO!

12:15 AM  
Blogger Monad said...

"Umm, are you asking a serious question?

Do YOU yourself know where child support came from? Do you know which side made it legislation and why?"

or

"Oh, but. . .what about teh menz??"

1:03 AM  
Blogger White_Male said...

I Hate White Women!
Why I Hate American and Western Women

http://ihatewhitewomen.blogspot.com/

I am a white American male, and I hate white women. In a nutshell, white women are the most likely to cheat on you, to divorce you, to get fat, to steal half of your money, don't know how to cook, etc. Therefore, what intelligent man would want to get involved with a bitchy white woman?

White women are generally immature, selfish, and extremely arrogant and self-centered. The behavior of most white women is utterly disgusting, to say the least.

This blog is my attempt to explain why I feel white women are inferior to all other groups of women, such as Asians, Middle Easterners, Mexicans, Blacks, etc.

BOYCOTT AMERICAN WOMEN!

7:34 AM  
Blogger trent13 said...

I was more interested in the reporter than the British guy's comments - and after looking at some of the commentator's other stuff, as a woman, and emotionally swayed by particulars rather than being able to just stick to the larger picture, I find myself struggling with not being disgusted with the MRM movement as a whole. I know, it takes all tyopes, but wow, do I severly loathe his type.

Pretty shocking though that something so atrocious could take place. Poor guy. Poor world, where such things can take place.

1:17 PM  
Anonymous julie said...

@Monad,

there is a general consensus within the MRM that men are responsible for the problem we find ourselves in...we allowed feminism to proliferate into society.

(rolls eyes)

In fact my response was not written for you either, but for other men, to point out that after Fidelbogen's thoughtful discourse...all you had to say was an inference to:

"the menz did it, so it's the menz fault"


I'll take that on board. It is a good point. ;)

@F,

This was well written and the video is very good. The story is shocking.

Unbelievable!!! (believable but really bad)

5:43 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I am a white American male, and I hate white women. In a nutshell, white women are the most likely to cheat on you, to divorce you, to get fat, to steal half of your money, don't know how to cook, etc. Therefore, what intelligent man would want to get involved with a bitchy white woman?"

I don't hate any women. I just want the same treatment for men before the law that women get.

I want child support orders issued to non-custodial female parents and I want them enforced.

I want women to be eligible for the draft just like men.

I want women to do the same time in jail for the same crime under similar circumstances that a man would do.

I want female murderers to be executed just like male murderers.

I want female child rapists locked away for 20+ years just like their male counterparts.

I want the feminists out of the upper echelons of government, because they are a hate group akin to the KKK, and make laws that unfairly malign men and promote the interests of women over those of men.


I want JUSTICE. I want it NOW. And I am prepared to DIE to GET IT, if necessary.

6:47 PM  
Anonymous Michael said...

Well I don't hate white women. What a stupid, primitive and racist thing to say, "I hate white women". External attributes (such as "whiteness") of a specific person are not a cause of their belief systems (such as "feminism"). There certainly are Black or Asian feminists, and of course there are white anti-feminist women.

I'm actually a bit astonished you published that comment, fidel. I thought you have a policy here "no hate speech towards women in general".

5:03 AM  
Anonymous julie said...

@Michael,

I'm actually a bit astonished you published that comment, fidel.

I dunno for sure but... I think it looks good to see men say something about the comment "I hate white women".

It shows how men work. If someone steps out of line in men's circles, one or more than one (males) always pull him back in line.

I wish women would do this for if they did, we wouldn't have the hateful women getting away with their hate. They certainly wouldn't be teachers or professors in University.

2:53 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can anyone provide a link to the video?

4:27 PM  
Blogger Fidelbogen said...

Unfortunately, no. The video (by the notorious Thugtician) has been removed. It wouldn't surprise me if Thugtician has been banned altogether from YouTube -- he "told it like it is" rather strongly, and had plenty of enemies!

But briefly: the video told the story of a man in Dauphin county, Pennsylvania, who got hit with the most outrageous case of paternity fraud you can possibly imagine -- the kind that buggers belief! And. . . the various bureaucrats and agencies conspired and lied outrageously to keep this man in his condition of slavery. Tom Leykis reported on the story, and Thugtician included a clip of Leykis in his YouTube video.

5:48 PM  
Blogger Monad said...

Anonymous @ 427, Yeah, as Fidelbogen mentioned, Thugtician or Thugt1cian is apparently no longer, but other youtubers have some of his old videos uploaded if you want to look. No idea which particular vid from the original post is though.

http://www.youtube.com/user/Thugticianwisdom

Most of the vids of Thugtician have a picture of a black guy semi silhouette with his arms folded behind his head and thugtician himsel has an English accent....if your interested in searching.

5:23 AM  

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