Saturday, October 24, 2009

Looking Toward the Future

I would like to "topside" three reader comments from the post before this. First, the following from Anonymous at 1:02 AM:
"Don't count on anything catching fire when it comes to "MRAs".

"You only have to look at how they quickly disappear from view whenever anybody writes anything suggesting any form of 'action' - even when it comes to just sending emails.

"Notice, for example, the absence of comments following the MND article about Kevin Driscoll.

"The same happened when Paul Elam wanted support to complain about the counseling website a few weeks agp. (80% of the comments that followed his article came from non-MRAs.)

"Only about 1% of MRAs actually do anything apart from write comments here and there."
In response to that Cassandra-like statement, I (Fidelbogen) wrote the following, with one small editing change given here:

"'MRA' is nothing but a LABEL.

"Any kind of generalizing statement about so-called "MRAs" is a generalization about a quasi-mythical group of people.

"And therefore, it misses the point.

"What matters is the underlying principle which this Magical Reflex Acronym intones, i.e. that of men's rights, and the various ramifications that issue from this issue.

"Of course, the Magical Reflex Acronym is convenient, I'll grant you that! ;}"
Finally, Anonymous at 1:48 AM, who appears to be inspired by Anonymous at 1:02 AM, has this to say:

"Looks to me that Kevin Driscoll has probably gained more allies than he's lost - and probably better kinds of people as well.

"Whatever the court outcome, there is a lot more interest in this than in most rape trials, and that is new. Most of the time we only hear about this sort of thing well after the trial, or from the defendant himself.

"Rather than thinking we can predict the future because we have seen a small part of the past, maybe we would do better to genuinely try and understand how change happens, and recognize when it is happening."


Anonymous Anonymous said...

Unfortunately I don't think that people can find the time to fit in action for every "pet" project that they have. Now, don't get too offended at the word pet, for some people men's rights are going to be of greater importance than to others. As much as I would like to have at least three of me to do everything I want to get done, I don't have three of me, thus, one makes comprimises.

11:27 AM  
Anonymous JD said...


Thank you so much for saying this. I totally agree. We can't sit back and hope for the future.


11:50 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

JD said...

" We can't sit back and hope for the future."

No, we cannot JD. We must ALL work together to change things so our future does not resemble our past. I am an active MRA. I take every opportunity to promote men's rights everywhere. I openly speak to other men concerning our rights and how feminism has caused most of our rights to be ignored. I raise awareness amongst men I meet of how we need to take every action possible to prevent further erosion of our rights while doing what is neccessary to reclaim those rights we have lost. Lack of action in the public eye is one of the things that hurts us, feminists enjoy laughing at us because of this. It is not enough to post our messages online. We must make our voices heard in public. Feminists,even radical feminists had done this. There probably aen't meny men who remember Gloria Steinem and Andrea Dworkin and the speeches they gave as they addressed groups of women. Why is it we aren't oing the same, addressing crowds of men? We don't need to spew hate and vitriol as they and other feminists/radical feminists did but, we need to speak publicly and civily and make our voices heard loud and clear. We have knowlege,wisdom and, experience. We need to use them.

12:59 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Seems like activity with the Kevin Driscoll affair comes in waves, and we are currently in a quiet spell. All the same, some interesting lessons can be drawn so far that can be put to good use in future.

What you've done here is outstanding Fidelbogen, and probably points the way to how to deal with concerted action in the future.

In particular, a web-site dedicated to a particular issue, and publishing progress updates on a regular basis is definitely an asset.

Centralizing the email addresses to canvas, as Angry Harry did is also a great idea. CC'ing a dedicated 'tracking' address so that the site organizer can see what's going on is another.

As with selling, the key thing is to eliminate all the little obstructions that prevent people from buying, from the practical through to the psychological.

If people could just click a button labeled 'Protest!', and that's all they needed to do to email all those people that need reminding that they are being watched, then I expect the e-mailing rate would go through the roof. Might not be entirely possible yet, but that's what we should be aiming for - something as painless and time-saving as possible, without looking like a spamming racket.

I'm sure there are plenty of other ideas I've missed, but that's the difference between theorizing and action. When we act, we learn things we didn't know yesterday. When we theorize - not so much.

2:01 AM  

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