A Feminist Joke
All right. Here is a funny, mean-spirited joke about feminists, courtesy of Chef Snark of the excellent Remasculation blog:
Q: Why are feminists so obsessed with pop culture?
A: Because they are too dense to appreciate the classics!
Hey, that was a chance for feminist readers to "laugh at themselves" and live down the rusty old canard that "feminists have no sense of humor."
I haven't posted in a while because, frankly, I am frigggin' tired and burnt out. My brain these days is too much like puréed asparagus to be of any use to blog readers. . . .
Anyhoo... in coming weeks and months I plan to do a lot more of those podcasts. Judging by recent download counts, they are becoming rather popular. So. . . give the people what they want, I reckon! ;)
Q: Why are feminists so obsessed with pop culture?
A: Because they are too dense to appreciate the classics!
Hey, that was a chance for feminist readers to "laugh at themselves" and live down the rusty old canard that "feminists have no sense of humor."
I haven't posted in a while because, frankly, I am frigggin' tired and burnt out. My brain these days is too much like puréed asparagus to be of any use to blog readers. . . .
Anyhoo... in coming weeks and months I plan to do a lot more of those podcasts. Judging by recent download counts, they are becoming rather popular. So. . . give the people what they want, I reckon! ;)
posted by Fidelbogen at 8:14 PM
17 Comments:
Oy... I'm giving in and setting myself up as a stereotypical "humorless feminist" because there actually is a decent reason to focus on pop culture-- and I'd suggest men's rights activists also analyze and critique it. But I'm willing to be the sacrificial lamb because, well, being called humorless is a whole hell of a lot better than some of the other things I've been called online.
Pop culture is important because it both reflects and establishes the attitudes of society and individuals in society. Children learn a lot of their attitudes through observing the behavior of others-- and even adults adjust their norms and social scripts based on what they see. So if pop culture presents an image of women as vapid and materialistic, and men as adult children incapable of domestic tasks and shut off from their emotions, people are going to internalize that that is what the typical woman or man is like. The human brain uses heuristics, so whatever it sees the most of is what it's going to think of first-- and if what it sees the most are negative stereotypes, well, that's what it's going to grab at. Pop culture influences attitudes and actions-- and pervasive attitudes can stop real progress.
Gee thanks for the suggestion Amanda. I had no idea we MRAs were doing everything wrong - thank goodness we hopeless, stupid men have a virtuous woman to guide us and keep us in line!
Oh, and thankyou for that giant wooden horse you provided as a peace offering!
To clarify: Amanda, the ideas you are advocating are very familiar.
Your post sounds like it's cut and pasted from a sociology textbook.
These are not NEW, or INTRIGUING ideas.
They are REDUCTIONIST, OVERSTATED, and more importantly, BORING! Your posts are BORING.
By presenting them as a new way of looking at things, you show your true colours: thinking we are stupid enough to have not encountered very basic sociological and psychological theories.
Fidelbogen, this is the same feminist who called everyone at The Spearhead "naive" for believing that false rape accusations ever happen. She claimed that women would never do something like THAT to harm another person.
She's a snowflake, all right.
....and of course, any examination of "pop culture" that reflects badly on Feminism, of Feminist memes, will be summarily dismissed as "irrelevant" and "whiny white boys".....right Amanda?
Because, gee, I wonder what would happen if someone, say, studied DV "awareness campaigns", placed the propaganda next to the facts, and then started levelling charges against those who perpetuated the hateful misinformation (like Feminist organizations, Non profits, the Government itself (at least in Canada - they put their logo on everything)..
Do you REALLY want MRAs to start examining pop culture like Feminists do Amanda?
Or do you want us to look at the things YOU deem important only...
Because if you're the same brainless twat from WashingtonCityPaper, you've proven your man-hating bona-fides already. There's no need to invite still more derision...
@Amanda:
Yes. . your essay is old stuff, already known to me! I am a "kill your TV" fanatic from waaaay back!
But hey, the joke was. . erm. . mean-spirited, y'know!
But I guess we can agree that pop culture sucks, eh?
Oh, BTW: You speak of men being "shut off from their emotions" like it is a bad thing. Actually, I'm all for it.
The problem is NOT that "men are out of touch with their feelings". No. The problem is that men are out of touch with their feelings in a witless, boring, unimaginative way!
Men need to be feelingly out of touch with their feelings.
Dig?
Guys. . guys. . .guys!
Let Amanda say her say, I say! ;)
@Amanda:
"...and men as adult children incapable of domestic tasks and shut off from their emotions".
This is not just feminist propaganda, this is a very typical attitude from a brainwashed woman today.
We men have feelings. In my opinion, every creature on the planet has feelings (my dog gets angry - growls - she gets sad - she whimpers).
POINT 1:
Because us men do not make huge spectacles out of ourselves everytime we have feelings - does not mean we do not have them.
POINT 2:
A woman's feelings are not more important than a man's feelings - even if he is not making an ass (spectacle) out of himself everytime he has feelings.
POINT 3:
A woman making a giant spectacle of herself because she suddenly has "feelings" does not invalidate the feelings of those around her - even if those people are men.
disgustingly typical.
I doubt I will get through to her.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I am going to do something that is easier than trying to get through to a feminist...
... I am going to go pull some teeth from a mule...
... Then I am going to re-fill my salt shaker - by putting the grains of salt into the holes it comes out of - instead of opening the plug at the bottom...
...Then, I am going to transform myself into a one-legged cat, and try to bury a turn on a frozen ice pond.
Yes - this is a typical day for me...
Snark,
I didn't say that MRAs are doing everything wrong-- where on earth did you get that idea from? I just think that analyzing pop culture for misandry would be a good addition to men's rights activism.
And thanks for telling me i sound like a textbook! I've actually never read anything like that in a textbook before, so i guess my ideas, while boring, must actually be fairly well developed, if others have also pointed them out. I don't actually think any of you are stupid (well, at least any of you here-- there are a few Spearhead commenters that really do come across as unintelligent)-- I just wanted to answer the question posed. You've also misstated the context of my calling some Spearhead commentors naive, but I'll let that one slide.
Factory,
Well, I WOULD honestly like to see an examination of misandry in pop culture. It seems like you're missing the fact that, while a feminist, I also care about men's rights. As far as I can tell, the ideas fit very well together, even if the members of the groups do not.
And I'm not Amanda Hess-- or Amanda Marcotte, for that matter. Amanda is, unfortunately, a pretty common name.
ScareCrow,
I know thatm en have feelings and that a man's feelings are every bit as important as a woman's. I was criticizing the fact that much of pop culture depicts men as not having feelings. I feel that those depictions of men are misandrist, and also that they are in opposition to feminism, because they play into the idea of set gender roles and there being a "proper" and proscriptive form of masculinity that men must have.
To all,
a slightly longer explanation of my reaction is posted at http://lovelettersinhell.blogspot.com/2010/04/why-examining-pop-culture-is-important.html
Unfortunately, it was written in a hurry before I left to meet a friend for dinner, but I'm very open to keeping this dialogue open. Fidelbogen, if you'd rather have them direct their comments to my blog than take up space with something not directly related to your post itself, just direct them over.
"Fidelbogen, if you'd rather have them direct their comments to my blog than take up space with something not directly related to your post itself, just direct them over."
The post itself is trivial, so I don't really give a spit how far they stray from the non-existent topic. They can stick around and talk about whatever.
I reckon I'm unconventional that way. I am mighty casual about staying On Topic, and if the talk branches into something cool and interesting , even if completely unrelated, I'm always game for that. . .
A stickler for ceremony I am NOT.
". . .analyzing pop culture for misandry would be a good addition to men's rights activism."
MRAs have been doing that for ages,so. . you're hauling coal to Newcastle! ;)
@All:
Another Feminist Joke:
Q: What's the difference between feminists and slaves?
A: Feminists don't get any time off!
Now THAT. . . was COLD!!!!
". . the idea of set gender roles and there being a "proper" and proscriptive form of masculinity that men must have."
To be honest, I am an essentialist. And that renders the point moot.
I believe that men and women are different.
Therefore, men will tend to act 'mannish', and women will tend to act 'womanish'.
It is not nurture, it is nature.
I believe there is indeed a proper form of masculinity. My objection is that pop culture portrays this in a very unreal way. And also a very CORNY way!
Pop culture artificially stereotypifies the natural stereotypology.
"And thanks for telling me i sound like a textbook! I've actually never read anything like that in a textbook before, so i guess my ideas, while boring, must actually be fairly well developed, if others have also pointed them out."
What it means is that you parrot the most obvious pop theories without any indication of capacity for independent thought.
Amanda said...
Factory,
Well, I WOULD honestly like to see an examination of misandry in pop culture.
http://www.mcgill.ca/reporter/34/05/misandry/
http://www.freewilliamsburg.com/february_2002/misandry.html
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1714833/posts
http://drhelen.blogspot.com/2010/02/carnival-of-misandry.html
http://mqup.mcgill.ca/book.php?bookid=2421
http://www.pellebilling.com/2009/04/misandry-in-the-media/
@Amanda
"I was criticizing the fact that much of pop culture depicts men as not having feelings."
Like what? Good God. They even focus on locker-room drama during football games now - and ask all the player's how they "feel" - it has gotten so over-focused on, it is just sappy.
"I feel that those depictions of men are misandrist"
Well, whatever those depictions are...
"and also that they are in opposition to feminism"
Now you're just being an apologist. If you look at any feminist (false) statistic or myth - especially - like say "rule of thumb" - THEY are misandric. The false stats and myths they spew out are designed to demonize men.
150,000 women die each year from anorexia - in an effort to be thin and attractive to men (more like 150 per year).
Women wear makeup to cover up bruises caused by their abusive male partners (B.S.).
Men ask women to shave their V's because everyman fantasizes about having sex with children (BULL).
25% of women attending college will be raped while attending college (LOL).
30% of yearly hospital visits by women are due to dometic violence (LMFAO).
What do these have in common - they were all uttered by feminists - they are all WRONG - they are all misandric.
(I could go on for a long time here)
I can add another one now:
"Depictions of men who have no feelings are misandrist and they are in opposition to feminism"
LMFAO ROFL LOL HAHAHAHAHAH
Yeah, misandry is in opposition to feminism.
If you believe that one, I got a giant pendulum of gender equality I'd like to sell you (it has currently swung too far in favor of women).
Yet another load of Crud from our friendly neighborhood feminists.
Dr Fidelbogen Ph.D,
I think you might find this interesting, after you have rest.
http://falserapesociety.blogspot.com/2010/04/feminist-legal-scholar-to-feminists.html
Maybe, someday soon, I can rest. I cannot rest now.
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