Non-Feminist Women are Welcome at
the Counter-Feminist
Trent13, an extremely non-feminist woman, has left a weighty comment on the post immediately prior to this, and her words have furnished me with matter for reflection. But first, the comment:
You may want to read this in context, HERE.
So, in step with the growing tidal wave of social reaction against feminism and its manifold evils, a growing number of women are awakening and bestirring themselves, looking cautiously about, and beginning to ask serious questions. And many such women are finding their way to the blogs, websites and forums of the men's rights proto-movement. These women are seeking information, and in many cases wishing to be of help in some way -- if only they knew how! At any rate, they are driven by earnest curiosity, and they want to orient themselves. What they seek, finally, is a map with an x-mark next to the words "you are here."
But all too often, what they find is a formidable wall of hair-trigger hostility, bristling vulgarity and sour cynicism. Understandably, plenty of these women haven't got a tough enough hide to "tough it out" until they earn a place of trust, while others are cursed with a knack for saying the worst things in the worst ways in violation of local politesse. Hence, many of them drop out before long, while many more will never pass beyond the larval lurker stage.
Yes. The lack of neophyte-friendly online venues for budding non-feminist revolutionary women is keenly felt, and ought to be remedied one way or another.
Very well. I would like the Counter-Feminist to be such a website. After all, the trend needs to begin somewhere . . . so why not here?
Therefore, I invite non-feminist women of all persuasions to log in as commenters and introduce themselves. Don't be a stranger. You will find a relaxed atmosphere hereabouts, and a complete absence of the scurrility which so often dominates the atmosphere of other men's rights websites. What you will also find is the art of rhetorical discipline skillfully practiced, as a model to others in the movement. But more on that subject later!
Meanwhile, do consider de-lurking. You have come to the right place, so step right up! And spread the word among womenfolk of your acquaintance -- whoever has a curiosity to learn about the non-feminist revolution, the MRM, and all such things. As Trent13 says, you can't expect everybody to have a sudden epiphany, but around here you may, if you wish, get a fine start along that road!
I will leave this post in the top position for several days, and then link to it in the sidebar.
"The better safe than sorry attitude is understandable, and on average most women needn't declare that they are feminist. For those who adamantly declare they are anti-feminist (and show themselves to be so), I think a differentiation should be made. It isn't as if being an anti-feminist woman is considered by female-dom as laudable - in a sense, it's considered worse than if a male were anti-feminist, traitor to the cause and all that.
"Continued antagonization of the small minority of women who are against feminism, using the safer than sorry argument, will simply slow down the eradication of feminism. As the commenter stated, feminism is culturally pervasive; it can only be eradicated by a cultural movement away from it - the speed with which that will happen partly depends on the reception anti-feminist men give to those men and women who are struggling to see the light.
"One can't expect everyone to have a sudden epiphany about the evils of society; it's a slow process, and patience with the removal of entrenched feminist ideology is absolutely necessary if this is going to be fixed."
You may want to read this in context, HERE.
So, in step with the growing tidal wave of social reaction against feminism and its manifold evils, a growing number of women are awakening and bestirring themselves, looking cautiously about, and beginning to ask serious questions. And many such women are finding their way to the blogs, websites and forums of the men's rights proto-movement. These women are seeking information, and in many cases wishing to be of help in some way -- if only they knew how! At any rate, they are driven by earnest curiosity, and they want to orient themselves. What they seek, finally, is a map with an x-mark next to the words "you are here."
But all too often, what they find is a formidable wall of hair-trigger hostility, bristling vulgarity and sour cynicism. Understandably, plenty of these women haven't got a tough enough hide to "tough it out" until they earn a place of trust, while others are cursed with a knack for saying the worst things in the worst ways in violation of local politesse. Hence, many of them drop out before long, while many more will never pass beyond the larval lurker stage.
Yes. The lack of neophyte-friendly online venues for budding non-feminist revolutionary women is keenly felt, and ought to be remedied one way or another.
Very well. I would like the Counter-Feminist to be such a website. After all, the trend needs to begin somewhere . . . so why not here?
Therefore, I invite non-feminist women of all persuasions to log in as commenters and introduce themselves. Don't be a stranger. You will find a relaxed atmosphere hereabouts, and a complete absence of the scurrility which so often dominates the atmosphere of other men's rights websites. What you will also find is the art of rhetorical discipline skillfully practiced, as a model to others in the movement. But more on that subject later!
Meanwhile, do consider de-lurking. You have come to the right place, so step right up! And spread the word among womenfolk of your acquaintance -- whoever has a curiosity to learn about the non-feminist revolution, the MRM, and all such things. As Trent13 says, you can't expect everybody to have a sudden epiphany, but around here you may, if you wish, get a fine start along that road!
I will leave this post in the top position for several days, and then link to it in the sidebar.



18 Comments:
Therefore, I invite non-feminist women of all persuasions to log in as commenters and introduce themselves.
Ah, I do love the sound of crickets chirping.
"But all too often, what they find is a formidable wall of hair-trigger hostility, bristling vulgarity and sour cynicism. Understandably, plenty of these women haven't got a tough enough hide to "tough it out" until they earn a place of trust, while others are cursed with a knack for saying the worst things in the worst ways in violation of local politesse. Hence, many of them drop out before long, while many more will never pass beyond the larval lurker stage."
(Not to blow sunshine or anything, but) did it take practice to cultivate that faint overtone of humor on a serious subject, or did that come natural? I'm a little jealous, I don't have those kind of chops, most of my stuff would prob bore a person to death.
Gosh, this might get some tomatoes thrown at me...
I heard that the most damage to feminism - has been done by - eeep - feminists.
Christina Hoff Summers et al???
Somebody pointed this out to me - the biggest feminist myths were actually dispelled by "less radical" feminists??
Is there any truth to that?
Why thank you, Fidelbogen. Of course, I felt welcome here since I first launched my blog over three years ago and you were among the first to welcome me to the blogging community. Yours was the first MRA blog I ever read, back before I was even familiar of the acronym, and it continues to be a source of information and inspiration.
". . .did it take practice to cultivate that faint overtone of humor on a serious subject, or did that come natural?"
Practice? Er. . ah. . not that I'm aware of.
But I am glad to hear that I have a faint overtone of humor; that pulls me out of the feminist category. ;)
@Kim: Thanks for droppin' by. I think it is safe to say that you established yourself as a legend from quite early in the game. Your "street smarts" in MRA land have been quite solid all along.
@Scarecrow:
" Somebody pointed this out to me - the biggest feminist myths were actually dispelled by "less radical" feminists??
Is there any truth to that?"
There might be some truth to that, depending on who/what you call feminist. (And what you call "damage".)
There are a number of people who (unfortunately) CALL themselves feminists, and really hadn't oughta. .!
In addition to Christina Hoff Sommers, Murray Straus, the DV researcher at UNH, comes to mind. He has done as much damage to feminism as anybody else I can think of!
I think the problem is how non-feminist is non-feminist enough? I know I've made a lot of feminists pretty ticked off with what I've written, and yet I'm sure there are those in this corner of the web who view me as too complacent or not willing enough to shuck off my privileges in this misandrist society. So basically I just write what I believe and figure that's got to be enough. I haven't filtered everything I've taken in, but I will say I've learned quite a lot from listening to the men in the manosphere talk. (Or write, as it were.)
Thanks for the warm welcome and for your acknowledgment that turning back the scourge of feminism cannot be accomplished without an awakening among women.
I will be back to read more...
I'm a regular reader and have commmented a few times. I am not a feminist. When I was young, I remember reading books and magazines and they would say the new generation isn't "feminist enough" and we have feminism to thank for any freedoms or happiness we enjoy and should be more grateful. And they would bemoan how slack the new generation is in defending those freedoms. I learned that it's expected of women to identify themselves as feminists and if they don't there is obviously something horribly wrong with them.
But when I really looked into feminism I didn't agree with it. So I can't say I'm a feminist. Simple as that. I'm new to the MRA scene. Yours is one of the only blogs I've found that is reasoned and logical and not full of hateful garbage. And I agree with what you say. And I feel welcome here. So I don't have to lurk. Thank you for that!
So, that's five non-feminist women so far who have chipped in ...
"Ah, I do love the sound of crickets chirping."
Ah, I do love the thought of feminists pouting.
@Fidelbogen.
Damage being - exposing the falsehoods it was spreading.
Instead of calling myself "anti-feminist", I'm gonna start calling myself, "anti-misandric", or "anti-male-bashing"...
Or anti-androphobic
remember that word?
Androphobia?
It appeared in a medical dictionary I had - printed in 1989... I forget who published it.
An irrational fear or hatred of men.
To all who have commented:
Thank you for dropping by, but mainly, thank you for standing up and being counted! ;)
And I know that you are just the tip of the iceberg!
I would like to comment at greater length, and address some of your remarks individually . . and I will. But, kinda occupied at the moment, so. . .
Meanwhile, in case you haven't already read it, here is a sort of orientation manual which I wrote a few months ago, addressed to non-feminist women:
An Open Message to Non-Feminist Women
I'm afraid it's a bit long-winded, but no help for that: I wanted to be very, very thorough.
So: I notice that one commenter made a remark about chirping crickets. Well, the "crickets" have swollen to a nice little chorus. . haven't they?
@grerp:
Hey there!
I have pondered your posted web words more than enough to conclude that you are nowhere near to being insufficiently non-feminist! ;)
Not even close!
Have no fear about that!
Oh, and guess what? I have been called a MISOGYNIST a time or three! :)
And you know, I cannot hope to convey how radically it mortifies my spirit when a feminist calls me this. . . :(
@aimee:
The feminists will sometimes pose the question "what will you replace feminism with?" Basically, they remind me of a drug dealer -- to be exact, an old-school slimy heroin pusher who is "always there for you."
And I would answer their question in one simple word: "Nothing!"
As for the hateful garbage that you speak of, well, look at it this way: if you smack somebody upside the head with a 2 x 4, what comes out of their mouth? Hateful garbage, perhaps?
Well, feminism has smacked men with a 2 x 4, and they're not feeling so jolly chipper about it. What many of them need, is the 'space' to sort things out, and the rhetorical/conceptual tools to frame their outraged feelings in more disciplined political terms. But let such fruits blossom in the fullness of time. . .
[I shall return later.]
9:36 PM
Welcome all non-feminst women! I hope you will enjoy this site as I do. This site is the best! Again Fidelbogen, thank you!
@Terry-BreathingGrace:
"Thanks for the warm welcome and for your acknowledgment that turning back the scourge of feminism cannot be accomplished without an awakening among women."
An awakening among women is very, very important, and I would hope to see it happen, however. .
A sufficiently fanatical, disciplined and motivated men's movement could turn things around all by itself.
But, the question is. . at what cost?
It wouldn't be pretty, I can tell you that much. . . :(
Fidelbogen - that's very good to know. :)
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