Thursday, September 09, 2010

Topicals and Timelies

I am in receipt of the following e-mail, from a sender who is both female and not a feminist:

-----Original Message-----
From: ------------------------
To: * fidelbogen
Sent: Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:32 pm
Subject: In what way(s) is it true?

On one of the threads on Spearhead forum Venom said: "The spearhead's kind of been on a decline ever since Globalman got banned. Women are being allowed to make to many decisions about the direction of the spearhead."I was wondering, since I don't think I've been on there long enough to know, what he would mean by this statement, and the reason I'm asking you (and not just responding to the thread) is because I know the rest of the guys who were posting on that thread are all categorical women haters and I just want an honest answer without all of the ensuing male/female crap (which I know you would provide if you are able).
My response to the above is, I think, of significance to warrant broader exposure:
I rarely look into the Spearhead forum; can you give me a link to the location you are talking about?

Anyhow, without knowing anything further at this stage, I would have to say that Globalman was an abrasive character, but quite knowledgeable. His misfortune was that he could not present his knowledge effectively (diplomatically). He knew quite a bit, but he acted like a know-it-all . . . and of course, NOBODY knows it all! Plus. . . he said some things that were politically very, very ill-considered. Personally, I think it is just as well that he got sacked. . .

As for "Venom": The name says it all! I would assume he is a Globalman fan. So of course, to HIM the Spearhead is going downhill now! And I have no idea what he means about women making too many decisions -- possibly because the tone is a bit less "misogynistic" now? What he and people like him don't seem to understand, is how to set uncompromising male boundaries without being woman-haters, or how to say HARD THINGS without sounding unnecessarily harsh. Yes. . it can be done, but some people need to pull a printout from the clue wire.

Since my brain is clicking, here are some extra goodies for you . . .

The difference between feminism and the MRM? Well. . . both groups contain a number of "haters", but only feminism is a hate movement per se. That is, if you kicked out all of the hate and all of the haters from feminism, the movement as such would cease to exist, having nothing to hold it together or drive it forward. On the other hand, if you expelled the hate element from the MRM, the movement as such would roll right along and never skip a beat. It would still have ample reason to exist as long as such a thing as feminism existed.

Finally, I ought to point out something that I haven't pointed out nearly enough. The so-called MRM is just one piece of a larger picture, and that "larger picture" is what I call the non-feminist revolution. There are a number of individuals, groups and forces of various sorts and sizes which are converging to attack feminism, or its extended power structure, or its objective consequences in whatever form. Not all of these entities are "men's" forces, and not all of them even realize that they are attacking feminism per se. But, they are all of them like roads leading to Rome, and they are all pinching feminism in one way or another.

In the end, the non-feminist revolution is nothing more or less than the rest of the world, exclusive of feminism, acting in a more-or-less political way against feminism and its objective consequences, and with a growing awareness of itself AS A FORCE.

Yet the MRM will always be at the center of this, for the simple reason that the War on Men is at the center of everything that feminism does.

Hopefully this was helpful;

~F~

5 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"...I know the rest of the guys who were posting on that thread are all categorical women haters..."

I'm sorry, but that's crap. Most of the people at the spearhead,and even most of the people in the MRM do not hate women.

We hate what women are allowed to DO to men,with impugnity.

To the men of the MRM, it makes no difference whether the ones keeping us from seeing our children or letting people murder us with no punishment are MEN,WOMEN,or three-headed aliens from outer space. Our focus is on MEN. Not women. It just so happens that the ones who are denying us domestic violence shelters, keeping false rape accusers from being punished, demeaning us all by portraying us rapists,child molestors,idiots,and wife beaters are feminists, who claim to speak for all women and receive the support of most women.

If you want a more positive tone out of the men you're going to have to convince more WOMEN to support the goals of the MRM. We already caved to YOUR spokespeople and have been paying for it for 40 years. Now you must meet US on OUR terms. Or don't. We don't care. The MRM will succeed,regardless. With your support it can happen in 10 years, without it, we will continue to fight for 100 years or 1000,however long the human race can survive with fewer and fewer people making babies or gathering resources,we will fight until a reasonable solution and an equitable contract between the sexes is reached or we will fight until our side achieves total victory.

None of us in the MRM WANT to be here. We would rather be married and raising kids, or living peacefully with women. The feminists,however, WANT to be at war with men. They revel in it. We would rather this "battle of the sexes" be called off. But you are the ones who started it, so you are the ones who have to end it.

I don't deny many in the MRM are angry, you would be too if you were sitting there and someone walked up and poked you in the eye for no reason,but we do not hate women,we simply hate being poked in the eye (metaphorically).

5:16 AM  
Anonymous David said...

Hi, everybody -

Fidelbogen, I don't know whether you permit these sorts of comments on your blog. If you don't, I'm sure you'll let me know, and of course I will happily acquiesce. However I thought it was worth a shot.

There is a little battle I'm fighting at a website called Six Stone Jars. It's a Catholic website about dating and it's the stomping ground of many a white knight, pedestalizer, mangina, and, of course, our good friend the testicle-crushing dominatrix. If you ask me, it's exactly where a militant MRA belongs. After all, the soldier best serves his purpose on the battlefield. Tell me I'm wrong.

What may not be clear from a cursory scan of the site is that the author, though I would certainly consider him a good man, consistently takes men to task for various bad things we tend to do. By comparison he disciplines women very lightly - though he often praises their intrinsic value as women. None of these things, I would say, are bad in themselves; the problem, rather is what he does not do. By failing to take women to task as he does men, and by failing to praise men as fathers and husbands, Anthony Buono is subtly and unintentionally perpetuating the men/bad women/good meme. This is his crime against men.

The topic of discussion today is whether men should pay the full bill on a date. Seems innocuous enough, right? Well, follow the below link and tell me whether anything troubles you:

http://www.6stonejars.com/index.cfm/2010/9/9/Men-pay-women-save

The guy named "David" in the commentary is me. I am getting whipped by white knights and man-eating dominatrices. Their weapon is shaming language, inarticulate and irrational arguments their pretext. I could use some help. It's not that I think we will change minds, at least not completely. But I am easily dismissed while I fight alone. And what is the point of the MRM if not to guarantee no man fights alone?

Help me, brothers.

A final note - if you are interested in helping, bear in mind this is a chill, genteel Catholic website. The author moderates all comments. You will want to temper your language, refraining, as much as possible, from insults and curses. Otherwise your comments will simply not be posted.

Do help me out. I would do the same for you.

8:57 PM  
Blogger ScareCrow said...

I have no idea who GlobalMan is - or what he said that got him banned.

"...how to set uncompromising male boundaries without being woman-haters, or how to say HARD THINGS without sounding unnecessarily harsh"

I respect you Fidelbogen - you are eloquent with your words. As for me - well, you might remember my first comment on your blog - I am not eloquent, and I sometimes let my anger get the best of me - I am only human!

I would guess that the majority of men out there are like this (perhaps even worse).

Was GlobalMan warned? Should these angry men be spoken to before banishing them?

I would really like to talk to this person "GlobalMan"...

Anybody know how to get into contact with him?

9:38 AM  
Anonymous Jim said...

David, I went in and left a comment. Let's see how that goes. I mention this above in the psot FB devoted to your request.

3:51 PM  
Blogger Fidelbogen said...

@ScareCrow:

Globalman was banned from the Spearhead a few months ago. To learn more about him, I would recommend that you look into the old Spearhead posts from maybe 6 months back. Or more. There, you will soon find his comments on the threads. You might be able to deduce contact information from that. Otherwise, leave an enquiring comment on one of the current threads, and somebody might be able to point you in the right direction.

3:40 PM  

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