Saturday, November 06, 2010

Detailed Article About the IGAF Meeting

At the Spearhead, you will find a detailed article (in English no less!) about the recent IGAF meeting in Switzerland, and the dramatic events surrounding it:

International Men's Movement Bursts onto Europe's Political Scene

And look at that picture of the opposition ("Red Feminists") in the streets of Zurich. (Ha! The meeting itself was being held out in the country, miles away!)

Yikes! It looks like some people seriously don't want anybody to Question Feminist Authority! Do they?

See also THIS: Feminist Wandzeitung

Now, there is simply no way that the backlash would have mobilized itself on this scale, this quickly, in the USA. (The Left, in Europe, is a rather different kind of animal than in the USA!) But then again, the odds that an organization such as the IGAF would even form in the first place, in the USA, are also pretty slim -- let alone garnering the level of prior media attention which the IGAF meeting recieved. But who knows, maybe in ten or twelve years we'll be witnessing scenes somewhat like this in the USA. . .

I think it would have been fun to stand up in front of that crowd with a picket sign reading: "Feminism Hides Behind Women!" In fact, that is exactly what I myself would have done, if I had been in Zurich at that time. But first, I would have found somebody to translate the phrase into German for me! (I wonder if those "red feminists" would have comprehended the meaning of such a counter-feminist disruptor meme?)

So, here is what I gather from all of this. For the past few years, pro-male/anti-feminist groups and political parties have been sprouting up all over Europe -- but most heavily concentrated in the regions where German is spoken. And this IGAF meeting is a milestone, for it appears to be an effort to pull together the opposition to feminism on a pan-European basis; a kind of European Union of Anti-feminists. That is what "international", at least for the present, appears to mean: international among the nations of Europe. But, one step at a time . . eh?

Another interesting European development is, that they now have -- at least in an unofficial, de facto way -- a "male studies program". I don't think this has yet reached the point of colonizing the academic curricula, but there is most certainly a wealth of high-toned, scholarly, overtly male-friendly books being published by "classy" publishing houses -- at least in Germany!

Postscript:
I believe that the phrase "feminism hides behind women" would translate into German as: "Der Feminismus versteckt sich hinter Frauen."

12 Comments:

Anonymous Michael said...

You're correct about your translation, fidel :-) If you print it on a banner for touring the streets of Zürich, you could drop the "Der" at the beginning of the sentence. Makes it more slogan-like.
But more importantly, don't forget your bullet proof vest in Switzerland. ;)

9:53 AM  
Blogger Fidelbogen said...

@Michael:

Nice neutral Switzerland is the wild west, eh?

If I took time off from blogging for maybe 6 months, and did nothing but study German, I'm sure I would get fluent with the reading part of it, and what a channel of information it would be....

You know, the first time I heard the German word "zuruck", I thought it was referring to a city in Switzerland! ;~}

2:10 PM  
Blogger Fidelbogen said...

I am now wondering if I gave the correct translation of "den antifeministen aufs maul geben". I decided that it meant "the antifeminists must be muzzled", but could it mean punching them in the mouth?

That would be even better/worse!

2:33 PM  
Anonymous Ulf Andersson said...

@ Fidelbogen:


Why don´t you study German the way I did
(exept for the two years at school) =
listen to the best band in the World,
Die Toten Hosen (The Dead Pants,
formed in 1982). My German grammar isn´t that good when I read or speak, but I speak German fluently -
so that I´ve been mistaken by native Germans for coming from Düsseldorf (the city of which Die Toten Hosen originates from).


I´m not very good at translations.

2:34 PM  
Blogger Fidelbogen said...

@Ulf:

Thank you, I will google up Die Toten Hosen! :)

9:28 PM  
Anonymous Same anonymous said...

Rather than translate the RDV article I'l give a brief synopsis.

The organizers of the conference did not expect the amount of interest shown in it by the public at large. There was an ever increasing number of participants from many European countries, and non-European as well; the gathering turned into the first ever Continent-wide convention dealing with men's rights.


The meeting had hardly been announced, when a media campaign of smears was unleashed. Several of the groups that initially planned on attending began dropping out. Threats were made. Finally, the site of the convention was changed due to security concerns.

In order to guarantee the security of the participants, at midnight the day before the conference, participants were contacted electronically and informed of the secret new location of the gathering.

Once the ID of the participants was verified from an authorized list, the attendees were transported to a hotel in the mountains, about 25 km outside of Zurich.

The conference began with a recounting of the threats made, and the difficulties endured in trying to find a suitable place to host the meeting. Potential sites were heavily pressured not to allow the conference to take place on their premises; in fact two cancelled before satisfactory accomodations could be found.

The necessity for discretion and secrecy was continously reiterated. The conference was guarded by private security guards. The press was forbidden to snap photos of the attendee's faces. Once the conference ended, round about 5PM, there was supposed to be a time for questions and socializing among the participants. The police however gave orders to evacuate the premises. It seems the owners of the hotel had no idea what the purpose of the meeting was, and began asking suspicious questions.

To be continued...

http://metromaschile.it/altrosenso/2010/11/01/convegno-a-zurigo/

P.S. Ulf, you are most welcome. How do you say that in Swedish?

12:19 PM  
Blogger Fidelbogen said...

@SameAnonymous:

Thank you VERY much for the synopsis. After you have done more, I will collate all of it and make it into an official blog post. :)

I have now officially commenced to studying German, in a serious way, in order to gain a higher reading proficiency. I have made similar statements before, but this time I will stick to a daily regimen of reading, translating, vocabulary building, flash cards, etc....

There is a LOT happening in Europe, and it is mainly chronicled in German, so. . .

1:47 PM  
Anonymous Michael said...

Yes fidel, "Den Antifeministen auf's Maul geben" does indeed mean "punching the antifeminists in the chops"... The feminists didn't mince their words.

Good to hear you're learning German now! :-) Here's something (unrelated to the IGAF meeting) for you to practice on:
Ministerin Schröder rechnet mit Feminismus ab
Google translation (not good though): Minister Schröder settles with feminism

It's a worthwhile and uplifting read (really!).

2:32 PM  
Anonymous Ulf Andersson said...

@ Same anonymous:
Var så god. [:vaar seau goood]
Pronounced as the French word "eau".


By the way: Thanks!

5:47 PM  
Blogger Fidelbogen said...

"It's a worthwhile and uplifting read (really!)."

You are right, it is (really!).

And there seems to be a trend happening in Europe -- which even I can sense from a distance. The conflict is growing sharper between the feminists on the one side, and their critics on the other.

It is with this in mind that I view the events surrounding the IGAF meeting. All of it is symptomatic. . .

2:26 AM  
Anonymous Michael said...

Of course now our family minister Kristina Schröder gets criticized from all sides and parties. But first of all she got a verbal beating from the German (ugly) face of feminism, Alice Schwarzer:
Offener Brief an Kristina Schröder
Politikerinnen ziehen in Emanzipationskampf gegen Schröder

So the fight is far from over, but in my impression there's a trend within German (and maybe the whole European) society developing that feminism gets increasingly viewed as an out-dated movement, disconnected from today's living conditions. In view of getting rendered obsolete in the not too distant future, the feminists now spit fire and brimstone at everyone they see as their enemy. That might be one of the reasons for their utterly hostile reaction towards the IGAF meeting.

3:13 AM  
Blogger Fidelbogen said...

@FYIA:

Did I get your name right? Anyway, you left a comment recently, and I think I inadvertantly deleted it, so you might want to try again.

As I recall, you had a blog, and I am always interested in seeing new blogs.

3:36 PM  

Post a Comment

Links to this post:

Create a Link

<< Home