A Wooly Lamb for the MRA Wolves
Warning: feminist subjectivism ahead:
"You - and your commenters here - make me very sad. You froth and rage at feminism... You claim we need to eliminate "man-hatred" and "family-destruction". What has this got to do with feminism? Feminists agree with you! We need to get rid of hate for both sexes, we need to make families better, to raise children free of hate and in a world where boys and girls have more potential than their parents.Immediately after the above, I posted the following response which, evidently, I am re-posting here:
"The problem here is...
"You, sir, don't understand what feminism is. You're attacking amazonism.
Amazonism is my name for people who think women are superior and who hate men. [Note: My name for such people would be female supremacists -- Fidelbogen]
Feminism is for people who want true equality for men and women. By freeing women they also free men, so that either sex can be free to perform both gender roles. [Note: The trouble is, that a lot of people, of both sexes, have no actual interest in the kind of "freedom" suggested here. Indeed, they find it arcane and abstract; they can formulate no clear conception of what is being talked about, or why it would allegedly "free" them. -- Fidelbogen]
"Amazonism is about putting men instead of women into the "stay home, clean the house, make me a sammich" position. [Note: I don't know about "amazonism", but female supremacism is about throwing men into jail, or into the gutter, or under the bus. -- Fidelbogen] Feminism is about the removal of that position entirely.
"Drop the hatred of feminism, please. Instead, join us in yelling at the people of both sexes who say that one side is better than the other.
Trust me. We don't like them either.
"-Disappointed and confused feminist who is banging her head on the table over yet another stupid misunderstanding.
Fidelbogen said...Addendum: I am posting, directly below, an insightful comment that was written, in response to the present CF post, by a commenter on one of the websites to which I cross-post. Ahh. . . I love it when the blog writes itself!
"You, sir, don't understand what feminism is."
Oh, I'll betcha i DO!
You. . are a stellar example of what we in the sector call an Earnest Feminist. Maybe the best example I have ever seen.
Those "amazonians" are INDEED feminists, just as you yourself are a feminist. You are ALL feminists! "Feminism" is a social organism defined by a symbiosis. Without BOTH kinds of feminism working together, feminism as a movement would have no traction and make no headway.
Basically, you're playing good cop/bad cop. The reason that feminists such as yourself exist, is to provide cover and camouflage for those other feminists. If feminists like you were the ONLY feminists, feminism as a movement wouldn't last two weeks - it would be reabsorbed into "liberal humanism" or the like. Those other, nasty feminists are the true spiritual core of the movement, and the true powerhouse that makes it run. They are the "little man behind the curtain" whom feminists like yourself tell the world to "pay no attention" to.
As for you personally, I think you are just a misguided liberal. But since you sound like a very sincere person, I won't be hard on you. Although, I would advise you to drop the term "feminist" as a self-descriptor. That label is permanently tainted.
I have an idea. I am going to do honor to your comment by publishing it as a blog post unto itself, so that others may be . . . enlightened. ;)
"I'd love to see some blogs or, better yet, video footage of feminists complaining about women who make false rape claims/ stop the father from having contact with their child/ women who complain endlessly about men or use men as scapegoats for their own inadequacies & poor choices/ hit men knowing there will be zero retaliations or repercussions/ etc. etc.Fidelbogen here again. I would add that many feminists have already responded to the substance of KM's remarks above. They have effectively declared that they have no duty, as feminists, to look out for men's interests or to concern themselves with men's issues. Now, although I could allow this sounds fair in theory (provided that we as MRAs enjoy a corresponding liberty per women's issues!), I cannot fail to discern that the feminist position is in many cases morally tantamount to an evasion of feminist guilt for creating men's problems in the first place.
"Can this feminist show us any feminists complaining about women doing these things?
"I'm gonna take an educated bet that the answer is an obvious, "No". Yet, are we not quite accustomed to seeing the now silent feminists complaining loudly when a man steps out of line? So what gives, where's this "yelling at people of both sexes"?"