Ontologies, Old Codgers, and Feminism
I share herewith a brief sample of some recent correspondence. First, the following which I received. Yes, the person addresses me as "Mr." Fidelbogen! ;)
I sent the following reply:
From: __________
Sent: 09/17/11 05:05 PM
To: Fidelbogen
Subject: Ontology
Dear Mr. Fidelbogen,
I am dumbing up as I get older, and I am now at the point of total intellectual dissipation, hinging on the question of what can I really know.
On the contrary, you present yourself as someone who knows things. My question to you is, what do you really know, and how do you know it? If that is too broad a question for someone of your acumen to find worth tackling, perhaps you could share one (1) thing you know for sure, and how you know it. Let us say that A=A style logical truths do not count.
And, if that is still too vague or open-ended a question, consider this: Does feminism exist? In what sense is feminism "real"? Aren't we just playing with words? Why shouldn't I listen to the reductionist materialists who say that all is merely a flux of elementary waves and particles?
I sent the following reply:
fidelbogen@earthling.net
Subject: Re: Ontology
To:____________
Interesting points you raise.
A few years ago, there was this affable old codger who lived in my building, and sometimes I would pass him in the lobby.
The old codger's standard greeting (to me and others) was a hearty, "so, what do ya know for sure?"
My reply to him (on one occasion I remember) was, "well, the only thing I know for sure is that I think, therefore I am."
That stopped the codger for a minute, and the half-sly, half-bemused grin along with the twinkle in his eye was priceless.
All right, how do "I" know that "I" am? Because, very clearly something is going on. There is no getting around the fact that "something is going on". And furthermore, something is AWARE of this. Maybe both of these 'somethings' are illusory, and maybe they are 'real', but either way something is going on, or else nothing would be sitting here, or even seeming to sit here, asking such questions, or even seeming to ask them. Seeming as surely as being must have a source, must it not? So "I" have as good a warrant to believe that "I" am thinking about the apparent "fact" that "I am", as to believe the contrary.
Therefore "I" choose to believe that "I" am. "Something" is aware that "something is going on", and aye, "I" seems as good a name for this "eye" of awareness as anything else which "I" can think of, or even think that I am thinking of. So there. QED.
Bottom line: all knowing requires both a "knower" and a "known". Or if you prefer, a subject and an object.
Now, on to the big question: does feminism exist?
I think it makes sense to say that it does -- but in a derivative way. The objective world, as a "known", is necessary for me to exist as a "knower". But feminism is only a derivative, a "coming into being" of the flux of possibility which is that objective world. It is unnecessary to my existence as a "knower", because other phenomena (such as old codgers) can just as well be "known" to me.
Therefore, feminism has a lower order of existence than the primordial objective world of which it is an offshoot.
Hope this sheds light.
~Fidelbogen~



10 Comments:
Interesting conversation. The one who posted you sounds like a burnt out philosopher who, like an overenthusiastic mechanic, has deconstructed everything he can get his hands on (including the definition of feminism) and now has a great big pile of nuts and bolts on the floor that have no distinguishable form. He is looking at the pile in dispair and asking "what is it.... is there anything there?"
Hence the joy in acknowledging that constructivist thinking reigns in this world.
While its easy for we philosophically-minded folks to deconstruct things, we must, for our own sake, remember that the vast majority of the world's people DO NOT DECONSTRUCT THEIR FANTASIES AND ASSUMPTIONS...... in fact the world is founded on these. Moreover, the masses go on acting 'as-if' thier fantasy constructs exist as immutable cosmic facts (ie. constructs such as "feminism" or "maleness" or femininity" and what have you) and then go on to create government policy and social practices based on these constructs..... and the effects of these instituted fantasies on our emotions, on our bodies, and on our very lives are very real indeed.
I'm reminded of a quote from the philosopher Vattimo who recommends that we "wake up and realize we are dreaming, and yet continue dreaming anyway." It's for our own good health.
A brief note to clarify my reference to fantasy, and fantasy constructs; we all see by means of fantasies (they are 'ways of seeing', not merely things seen). This applies even to the philosophical fantasy of detached intellectual elucidation, or to fantasies of deconstruction..... there exists no objective or neutral vantage point from which to approach reality, it is always limited by the particular fantasy in question.
". . there exists no objective or neutral vantage point from which to approach reality, it is always limited by the particular fantasy in question."
Fair enough.
But. . the principle that "something is going on" holds good throughout.
I think it was Monty Python that said:
Rene Descartes was a pissed old fart
I drink therefore I am.
Something is going on...... yes absolutely, you are right!
I drink therefore I am..... a big cheers to that!! (((swig)))
A few others:
"I am, therefore i think"
"I fantasize, therefore I am"
Interesting that you would fall back on Descartes. His deconstruction of reality into the only thing that can be known is his own existence forms the basis for all of my thought.
I have thoughts. My thoughts exist. Therefore I must exist in order to think them. But can I know whether my thoughts are real or that anything exists other than myself?
I don't buy Descartes reconstruction of reality. He makes assumptions that are unconvincing. But the way I see it, there are two alternatives. either there is an existence of an "other," that is someone or something other than myself or there is not. I must pick one of these alternatives and live my life accordingly. I will admit that I have probably chosen wrong, but I have chosen to believe in the existence of an "other."
Regardless, feminism exists because I think it. If there is no "other" when I cease to think feminism, then feminism will cease to exist. If there is an "other" then feminism will exist until no one thinks it.
TDOM
@TDOM:
I don't ride the Cartesian train to the end of the line, either. But cogito ergo sum is solid as far as it goes, for my money.
"I have chosen to believe in the existence of an "other.""
Just as I have chosen to believe in the existence of an "I". They're both happening, or. . . as my grandfather used to say:
"It's a mighty thin pancake that doesn't have two sides."
"But cogito ergo sum is solid as far as it goes, for my money."
Absolutely. It is the best deconstruction of reality ever presented and as far as a proof of existence, there is none better. It is only when Descartes attempts to reassemble the pieces that he takes a few leaps of logic that tend to derail the argument.
TDOM
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