Another View of the Femplex
Here is an interesting YouTuber I have somehow escaped knowing about until now. This will help fill you in about the definition of the situation. Some of it might even intersect with your own philosophical Venn diagram -- you never know. But it's always nice to know what's out there. And indeed, as I am daily discovering, there is more and more out there. More than anybody can keep up with. It is becoming ambient.
posted by Fidelbogen at 8:24 PM
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Yeah - you picked another winner Fidelbogen.
As I recall, early feminists were bitterly opposed to Christianity and other patriarchal religions.
What that clown does in another one of his videos is basically state that feminism and religion are the same thing - which they are not - more specifically - feminism and christianity are the same thing.
I see this as nothing more than a rouse - not to destroy feminism - but simply to draw attention away from the people who got feminism rolling in the first place - the atheists.
And - at the same time, continue what feminism started - bashing of patriarchal religions.
Nice try though.
You should watch ALL of somebody's videos before praising them - unless, your idea of countering feminism is to also attack the "religious right-wing wacko's" that started feminism - after all - its not like it was a bunch of left-wing atheist militant vegan lesbians that had anything to do with feminism...
NAHHHH.....
DID i praise his videos? I don't recall.
I do find them informative, however. After all, people like us appreciate intell, in whatever form, to help us fill in the blank spaces on the map.
Yes. The map. Even if you don't agree with something, you cannot always dispute the existence of it. And if it exists, then it exists in relation to everything else out there, and it behoves us to know what's out there if only for the sake of navigation.
So. . . what part of his analysis of feminist infiltration of the various cliques, do you find fallacious? What part of that human dynamic do you find not to match your observations of the world?
Oh..and have I not made it clear that the left-wing atheist militant vegan lesbians are interwoven with the rest of the culture, and so you cannot understand feminism unless you understand the ENTIRE culture?
Yes, I'll say it again: The feminist bird has BOTH a left wing AND a right wing. It couldn't fly any other way.
So I absolutely don't play favorites in the left-right game.
It is a total joke to say that feminism is "invading" atheism.
It is also a joke to say that feminism is "invading" game.
You know damned good and well, that early feminists attacked the church.
Now, there are a bunch of pricks who do not have a pro-male agenda, but rather, a pro-atheist/anti-religious agenda - and they are trying to pin the "roots" of feminism on religion.
Utter tripe - and you KNOW IT!
You also know that there is an endless supply of video clips, essays and other feminist media that will back up my claim.
Ok, so - how many essays have you written bashing the right-wing - versus how many you have written bashing the left wing.
Want me to do the investigation myself?
THAT IS CHECK AND MATE!
And don't you dare pull the witch hunt on me - I am a registered independent.
I am not even a registered independent. Or a registered anything. That is how independent *I* am, yessir!
Let's see..how many essays bashing this or that? Frankly, I never kept count. But put it another way: How many essays have I written praising either of them to the skies? ;-)
Sure, investigate to your heart's content old sport!
It is not a total joke to say that feminism is "invading" every significant clique or domain of human activity it can get its hands on. Including atheism, and every Church it can get near: Catholic, Lutheran...etc...etc...you name it.
Okay, if it'll make you feel good, I think it is a gross oversimplification to pin the "roots" of feminism on religion. Actually, feminism's root system spreads a bit farther (and deeper) than that.
Scarecrow:
Feminism is not a religious or political movement; it's a revolutionary movement. It doesn't matter to the feminists whether they pose as Christian conservatives or atheist progressives, as long as they can piggyback on a movement along the road to power.
Every current social construct is seen by them as a vestige of 'patriarchy'. They envision a world where feminism is everyone's religion. So it's correct to say that they ARE in fact co-opting atheism, just like they're co-opting religion.
@Anon - you will get no argument from me. You will also get no argument from me that feminism has infected the church - just as it has infected every other area of our culture.
But what I am seeing more and more in the non-existant MRM, is a slew of atheist apologists and people trying to tell me that "the right wing is just as bad".
Frankly, I am getting sick of it.
Whomever or Whatever stole feminism???
Stop and think for a minute.
hoo boy... I go away for only a couple of days and the whole place just goes seems to go crazy... Fidelbogen, when I first saw the new moniker/heading of your page, I thought maybe you'd been hacked, no doubt there are many who would love to hack your site - what is the meaning of "Disrespectable Swamp Rott" with two tees?
anyways, also as a second aside, Scarecrow, your style of comment is looking more and more like that of a clever troll or maybe just some basket case that's been slipping off his meds. You don't always have the last word in topics and discussions because you actually do not know everything.
To wit, and point of this post, is that the current atheism movement is populated overwhelmingly by men. If you, like me, have too much time on your hands then maybe you've been watching the whole online kerfuffle that is "elevatorgate" unfold for the last year or so. It's amusing, to say the least, for no other reason than to watch feminists spout their most ridiculous and unbelievable victim fantasy all over the internet, they've embarrassed themselves all over the place, and just like a spoiled fairy princess, when caught acting badly, the only response is to continue with your insistence that you're right, you're a victim, and all the people laughing at you are just really really bad.
For anyone who doesn't have the time or patience to catch up on elevator gate I can sum it up for you in few sentences. The atheist "movement", in itself I personally feel takes on a slightly pompous regard of itself in the first place, I could go on there but won't, but at any rate, they like to hold big international conferences. Guess who populate the conferences? Women? Feminists? No, it's mainly men and from a distance photos of such meetings could easily be mistaken for a convention of MRA's, or perhaps model flying club meet or something, that is, very few women. At the 2011 convention, I do believe as a result of deliberate attempts to increase the appeal to women, they had some female speakers, notably, ugh, Rebecca Watson. In her very opening speech, to a still very much male populated audience, she finished with a very motherly (and yes, I believe she herself is in her early twenties), a very motherly, from down on high chiding the men to behave during the conference, and not harass the women.
Now, to go from here, in my description, would be as inherently futile as attempting with words and text to inform you just exactly what you will experience if you grasp a large chunk of limburger cheese, preferably standing outside on a very hot summer's day, and hold it up to your nose, and take a deeeeep whiff. If you want to know of that, the experience is there for you, start with the site called 'elevatorgate', or youtube search it, or youtube to scented nectar's channel, or integralmath, etc. It's all there for you and I can't do it justice, any more than I can explain the stink of the cheese.
But I have done all that, and I will tell you here that without a doubt, this is an example of feminists attempting to move into what really, by default only, is a male space, and say in effect, "okay little ones, you can have your little atheism, just as long as you understand that we're here now, and your little atheism is best understood by us, and constitutes merely a subheading of feminism, all inputs and administration of, ultimately to be approved, sanctioned and controlled by Big Mother, for which, those of you who are properly obedient and deferent to, will get a nice pat on the head from us, before we send you out to do battle with any of the bad bad boys who misbehave".
That's what's going on with the atheism thing over there, and it ain't something which, in it's present form was begun by feminists or women, it is something which is being (unsuccessfully) coopted by feminism.
dude.
my last comment was too long. I wanted to add, once again Fidelbogen, for the most concise, plain speaking and yet intellectually revealing site or blog pertaining to feminism. I know your input is to great affect, heh heh, no doubt, so do they. I hope you have that cigar today, you deserve it!
Scarecrow:
"A slew of atheist apologists trying to tell me that the right-wing is just as bad."
I'm not an atheist myself, but if I'm not mistaken, quite a few atheists (aside from the more militant ones) are politically conservative or libertarian. Ayn Rand was an atheist, for example.
That aside, though, there is a dangerous trend among social conservatives who adopt the feminist premises while rejecting some of its outward political trappings, like abortion. Dr. Rookh has written quite convincingly about the connections between neo-puritanism and feminism. Surely, you won't deny that the entire American conservative movement is saturated with anti-male White Knights? Some religious like Pope Benedict have recognized feminist infiltration into the Catholic Church; but American protestants---who are overwhelming Socons---embrace female gender supremacy unapologetically.
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