Meme for the Moment
Open question for discussion: Could the above-posted graphic image be justifiably termed "misogynistic"?
My own response would be "no".
A further question: IF the above-posted image COULD be justifiably termed "misogynistic", would that effectively alter the meaning of the word such that misogyny itself would become a venial or trivial offense?
My own response would be "yes".
posted by Fidelbogen at 3:14 PM
7 Comments:
You are a clever rascel (rebel, thought provoker, activist).... I love it. Though I don't like one thing at that's the words, "Don't think".
It does fall under misogony IMO because women have had enough of being told they don;t have intelligence. It's just bad timing IMO to be making statements like this.
The answer to your second question asking if "Not thinking" in relation to "Women don't have intelligence" is trivial..... well, how does this seem.
Say I know you value your intelligence and I said at a meeting of importance to you ..."You're again thinking with your dick cause that's where your brain is". Would you see that as trivial?
For the record, I am not the creator of this graphic, but I thought it was worth sharing.
All right. I just wonder if "don't think" falls under "misogyny". My standard here is that it does not make any global pejorative statement about women. It does not categorically say "women are X."
And it is not at all a normative statement. It is not telling women that "women don't think". Rather, it is an imperative construction which ironically suggests a particular course of action -- i.e. suspension of thought.
Also, it appears to be aimed at a particular CLASS of women, not women as a whole. The targeted group will predictably be offended, but then, that's ALWAYS their game anyway.
The ones who are NOT targeted, will not take it personally.
Possibly the "yes ladies" bit could be omitted, or replaced by "yes femmeroids".
With due respect cause I think well of you.
Should I value your standards when I decide how I should treat you? IMO, yes I should.
Should I value the standards of a culture when visiting their country or moving into it? IMO, yes I should.
Why must I then, as a woman not expect my standard to matter? Am I not as worthy as a man and a culture?
Is it fair that you ask if something related to me hurts me, and then when I say "Yes", you shrug it off and say by your standard .... my standard doesn't matter?
So then, in your opinion the example given here constitutes "misogyny" by definition?
Would you conclude that a majority of the human race would share your opinion on this particular point?
"Should I value your standards when I decide how I should treat you? IMO, yes I should."
And yet you, not personally but as women, and certainly as feminists, do not value the standards of men. Collectively, you constantly attempt to put a bonnet on a beagle and then take offense when the beagle still has no interest in tea parties.
"Should I value the standards of a culture when visiting their country or moving into it? IMO, yes I should."
Yes, you should, but you, collectively as women, and certainly, as feminists, do not. In particular, feminists consciously have made it a cause to enter areas of male space, and effectively take them over, and attempt (often successfully) to alter the standards and norms to suit themselves and deliberately to disadvantage males. They do this on an organizational level, all the way down to self righteously breaking up a small clique of men merely enjoying conversation and friendship between males.
"Why must I then, as a woman not expect my standard to matter? Am I not as worthy as a man and a culture?"
You merit equality, nothing more. Your standards matter to you, but when you attempt to impose them on others, they ought and will be scrutinized. Many of your standards, again, collectively, do not hold up well to scrutiny and are producing conflict and backlash from men, such as the above sarcastic poster. Collectively, you've sure got it coming sister, in spades.
"Is it fair that you ask if something related to me hurts me, and then when I say "Yes", you shrug it off and say by your standard .... my standard doesn't matter?"
Have you personally been asked something that personally hurts you, no. Your request for victim compensation: denied.
Fidelbogen:
My answer to your first question would be that the meme is not misogynist, but likely misandrist. MRA is term which is used as a blanket description of all non-feminist males. I see it really more as a shaming tactic.
The other issue I have although you didn't specifically mention it, is the idea of 'a thought-terminating cliche.' This term is meaningless and is often employed in arguments to terminate any opposition. The cliches are usually so defined along politically-correct guidelines.
In other words, the meme's meaning depends totally on whether or not one interprets the term 'MRA' as outside the bounds of logical debate---which it should NOT be. These random labelling of terms as 'cliches' are simply substitutions for the rules of logical argument. For example, if someone in a debate used such a term, under classical rhetorical rules, they would be asked for a definition and proceed from there. Our 'sound-bite' culture though is not receptive to logical thought---so these artificial rules come into play.
Based on that explanation, the answer to your second question would also be equivocal. It would depend on whether or not the unofficial censors in media and academia defined 'misogyny' as a thought-terminating cliche or not. In the absence of solid definitions, anything goes: as long as it's 'officially sanctioned'!
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