Sunday, February 10, 2013

A Woman Who Favors Violence Against Women???


 Yes, anybody who opposes the Violence Against Women Act must favor violence against women, correct? So if you oppose the Male Human Rights Movement, what does that say?

9 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"So if you oppose the Men's Human Rights Movement, what does that say?"

This question is very well posed. In the past the word "rights" was not qualified with the insertion of "human" in MRM. That allowed everyone, but mostly feminists, to claim that the rights being sought were patriarchal rights to domineer wife and children, or rights to dominate females collectively.

It is only by insertion of the word "human" before rights that we can get traction because, as you point out, who is going to claim they are against the human rights of males?

A stroke of genius Fidelbogen. This is a game changer.

1:45 PM  
Blogger Fidelbogen said...

I wish I could claim credit, but the insertion of "human" originated in Vancouver when the "Men's Rights are Human Rights" posters got posted.

So the MRM is now the MHRM, and MRA is now MHRA.

But. . . I will take credit for non-feminist and pro-male. ;)

3:24 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No not correct. The whole point this girl is making is... violence against women is already illegal.

As for Male rights, they already them. After thinking for a minute, there are some ways that a guy can get the short end MOSTLY IN DATING AND DIVORCE

So straight from wiki
2 Issues
2.1 Adoption I DON'T SEE SINGLE WOWEN GETTING KIDS EITHER BUT THERE WAS THAT GUY FROM GOT A GIRL FROM RUSSIA AND THEN PUT HER ALL OVER THE NET ON PEDO PORN SITE
2.2 Anti-dowry laws 'women misuse legislation meant to protect them from dowry death and bride burnings' SOUNDS LIKE HE'S GOT DENIAL
2.3 Child custody SOME MEN HAVE JOBS SOME HAVE CAREERS UNLESS YOUR EX IS ABUSIVE BE HAPPY WITH YOUR 82.8% OF TIME
2.4 Divorce 'I know a few guys that got screwed in a divorce. Then again a know a woman that was screwed over by her husband'. Generally this is the one area there guys get screw. The purpose is to protect women from getting screwed a lot of men will say/do anything to get laid. It's a back in the day laws when a bride was a virgin, when women didn't work a job they ran a home and took care of children and a husband. Divorce was like a scarlet letter and no one wanted a bunch of divorcees ruining religion.
2.5 Domestic violence NICE TRY BUT THAT'S AS RARE AS A WOMAN RAPING A MAN
2.6 Education "education of boys as being in crisis, with boys having reduced educational achievement and motivation as compared to girls.[46] Advocates blame the influence of feminism on education for discrimination against and systematic oppression of boys in the education system.[47] They critique what they describe as the "feminization" of education, stating that the predominance of female teachers, a focus on girls' needs as well as a curricula and assessment methods that favour girls have proved repressive and restrictive to men and boys" LMFAO THIS IS SOME PISSY RICH DAD THAT IS UPSET BECAUSE THE SMARTEST KID IN THE CLASS IS A GIRL AND NOT HIS SON!
2.7 Female privilege CATCH 22 IT'S NICE TO BE TAKEN OUT TO DINNER, BUT I WILL ALSO DO THE SAME FOR THEM. I'M A GIVE AND TAKE PERSON, USUALLY THE GIVER.
2.8 Governmental structures ??? TALK TO GRANDPA
2.9 Health DID SOMEONE LOSE A YEAR? TONS MEDS HAVE BEEN TESTED ON MEN AND NOT WOMEN 150 YEARS AGO THE ONLY DOCTOR A WOMEN SAW WAS A MIDWIFE
2.10 Military conscription "military conscription of men is an example of oppression of men" EVEN TODAY MEN DON'T WANT WOMEN IN THE MILITARY, IT'S THEIR SPECIAL CLUB WHERE THEY CAN BLOW STUFF UP AND KILL PEOPLE. THAT QUOTE WAS WRTTEN BY A SMART GUY THAT DIDN'T WANT TO RUIN HIS MANICURE.
2.11 Parental abduction AGAIN WITH INDIA..... AMERICANS AND EUROPEANS ARE KIDNAPPING INDIAN CHILDREN AND SENDING THEN TO INDIA? OR A DIVORCED DAD TAKES HIS KIDS TO INDIA? I'M SURE IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME.
2.12 Parental leave YOUR LUCKY IF YOU GET MATERNITY LEAVE, CONGRATS ON A CAREER, BUT FOR GUY? MOMMY IS GOING TO NEED A COUPLE WEEKS TO RECOUP BUT IF SHE HAS THE BETTER JOB THEN I'M DOWN FOR MR MOM
2.13 Paternity fraud THE OLD MAIN REASON FOR MARRIAGE WAS LEGITIMATE
2.14 Rape "concerned with false accusations of rape and sexual assault" WHY WOULD A WOMAN LIE AND PUT HERSELF THREW THE LEGAL DRAMA OF DOUBT. I CAN SEE SOME YOUNG STUPID GIRL LOOKING FOR REVENGE AFTER BEING SPURNED DOING THAT. YET I FIND IT MORE DISTURBING THAT HALF OF RAPES ARE NEVER REPORTED.
2.15 Reproductive rights YOU DON'T WANT KIDS WEAR A CONDOM
2.16 Social security and insurance MEN STILL MAKE MORE MONEY THEN WOMEN, WOMEN OUT-LIVE MEN

4:20 PM  
Blogger Fidelbogen said...

@Anon420:

No, that is not the whole point she was making, but it was indeed a point that she made.

And I made my point, which is, I believe, a correct one.

5:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fidelbogen: 'I wish I could claim credit, but the insertion of "human" originated in Vancouver when the "Men's Rights are Human Rights" posters got posted.'

Yes after a bit of research I can see the Vacouver activists generated stickers with the men's rights are human rights slogan.

However it appears that the human rights focus of the vancouver activists came from a long-term practice cultivated on A Voice For Men which has consistently emphasised men's human rights since it's inception. Before AVfM the mention of men's human rights was patchy at best.

At least that is what 20 mins of research has unearthed.

The phrase MHRM appears to have been used quite accidently once or twice in MRM history but was intended as a paraphrase of MRM and was never intended as the introduction of a new phrase to capture the idea of a second wave of the MRM.

It appears that AVfM, or perhaps some unidentified individuals at AVfM, generated the idea that the MRM has entered a Second Wave which is being officially referred to as the MHRM.

This is a bold move and a death blow to feminism, as you helpfully pinpoint in your piece where you posed the question of who is going to openly oppose men's "human rights"?

12:37 PM  
Blogger Fidelbogen said...

There is no "second wave" to the non-feminist revolution, which is nothing but a sloshing sea anyway.

And the insertion of "human" was simply a crafty idea, not a "wave".

Nor do I see it as an ideological leftward shift, although I am aware that...uh... certain people are spinning it that way.

If there is any genuine "new wave" on the pro-male horizon, it is the one built around First Principles.

1:36 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Nor do I see it as an ideological leftward shift, although I am aware that...uh... certain people are spinning it that way."

I noticed that in passing. Seems a little desperate this attempt to squeeze left-right assumptions out of the notion that men are human beings. In the autism sector this kind of obsession with lefties would be identified as a "special interest" or more colloqually as an obsession.

10:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

just so ya know, this where it's all heading:

"Eventually, if MRAs are not to become the same self-serving, biased and hateful political group that are feminists, they ought to call themselves HRAs (Human Rights Activists). While temporarily it is OK to focus on restoring gender balance and fairness in law and culture, eventually MRAs ought to TAKE the high ground by advocating for all."
-4True Equality

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130218115013AAzzbmV

8:47 AM  
Blogger Fidelbogen said...

@Anon847:

There is no such thing as an "MRA".

8:59 AM  

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