Saturday, July 20, 2013

They Cannot Answer This

"Go for the jugular" is the best advice in any situation. In other words, cut to the root of the matter, and wrap the matter up efficiently so you can get on to more interesting matters.

In that spirit, I posted the following at the Huffington Post, hoping it would clean a few people's windows. When the day is done, there are two kinds of people in the world: those who take false accusation of rape seriously, and those who feel it is nothing to get fussed about. Well some of us take false accusation very seriously indeed, and refuse to shut up about it.  As a counter-feminist agent of change, your discourse in this realm should revolve around that point and not stray far from it. It is a strong point, and you can occupy such a point forever and never be driven from it. It holds the gravitas inherent to any moral high ground, and whoever goes against you occupies a position of weakness.

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11 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good one Fidel. Here's an article you may find interesting enough to want to respond to as well:

http://alternativeright.com/blog/2013/7/20/the-meek-inherit-jack-shit-or-why-the-manosphere-is-angry

3:22 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It was very nice of them not to censor your comment.

7:55 PM  
OpenID Eric said...

Fidelbogen:
"it is sad that I must explain such basic things to readers of the Huffpo, who are supposedly among the liberal intelligentsia."

'supposedly' being the operative word here; since they are intelligentsia largely in their own minds. The mark of a superior intellect and sophistication today, unfortunately, seems to consist of merely parroting uncritically whatever politically-correct position is advanced by the self-appointed guardians of culture and learning.

It's great that you brought them back to reality.

8:00 PM  
OpenID Eric said...

Anon322:
I read the article in 'Alternative Right' but can't follow where Forney is going with it. It seems to me to be more pro-Game/PUA propaganda than anything else; he says that Manosphere anger at feminists is justified and then pours out his venom on 'MGTOW permavirgins' (using feminist shaming language himself) and calls such Manophere pioneers as Warren Farrell a neo-feminist and Robert Bly a faggot.

Overall, I don't see much of anything constructive there.

8:16 PM  
Blogger Fidelbogen said...

@Eric: In case you didn't know, Matt Forney is none other than Ferdinand Bardamu of "In Mala Fide."

Dude's just a conceited, arrogant prick. I have no use for him.

9:05 PM  
Blogger The World Around Me said...

Thanks for sharing this. I personally do not see anything wrong with these posters - more alleged rapists are victimised by being falsely accused than the amount of people who are actually raped. They deserve to be given a voice and to be supported/ educated about how to deal with it. If she lied then he definitely is the victim. The tag of rapist - true or not carries such a huge burden.

1:47 AM  
Blogger Fidelbogen said...

@WorldAroundMe:

That's a very interesting blog you have.

5:11 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Eric,

Forney's approach may be flawed but I don't think it lacks some validity.

For example:

"But from a more practical standpoint, what do men have to lose from being angry and confrontational?

The answer is nothing, because in the past three decades, any man who so much as deviates from the accepted script of eternal female victimhood and eternal male oppression is tarred and feathered as a irredeemable misogynist. It doesn’t matter how conciliatory or polite they are, how carefully they phrase their arguments so as not to offend anyone, or even how much legitimate work they’ve done on behalf of women’s rights: they are automatically kicked out of the club,


And this:

"Give the feminists an inch, and they’ll take the whole yardstick, beat you to death with it, then claim it was your fault."


And finally this:

"This is why the manosphere is harsh, confrontational and provocative: because being provocative is the only way to get our message heard. It’s because the feminists treat guys like me and their supposed allies like Warren Farrell—guys who spent the better part of their lives fighting for women’s rights—with the same cruelty and amorality. It’s because waving a flag of truce at an enemy who doesn’t want to compromise is a waste of time.

Trying to find common ground with feminists and the left in general is pointless because they will always throw you overboard for being insufficiently progressive. Be angry, and take pride in your anger; despite what you’ve been told, it’s a perfectly normal reaction to how you’ve been treated in life, and it’s one of the best ways to get your point across."

9:37 AM  
Blogger Fidelbogen said...

@Anon937:

Last I heard, Forney-Bardamu was calling the manosphere a bunch of whiners and losers. Now he is praising the manosphere for being harsh on feminism?

Dude sure does change like the wind. WTF is up with him, anyway?

12:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fidel,

I was unaware of Forney's past. i will be wary of him from here on out. I just like to give notice to first-class counter-feminists of encouraging developments outside of the community.

Looks like I may have goofed on this one.

2:59 PM  
Blogger Fidelbogen said...

@anon259:

Funny thing, that most of the above-cited words from "Forney" might very well have been written by me.

But let's not forget that this is the same galoot who scoffs at the term "pro-male", and basically says that 98% of men are shit, and not "real men". (A couple of the stellar reasons for this assessment, are that they supposedly drink mass market beer and buy clothing from Walmart!)

That sort of thing....

Myself, I lean with the Masculinist credo: "All men are men."

3:21 AM  

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